Teachers on strike

[wildman]

How much would be an appropriate percentage, though?

it needs to be representative of the work force.

A 40% to 60% turn out with a 60% yay to strike is not representative. And before the vultures come in I believe they should do the same for general / local elections. Voting should be mandatory for all eligible citizens under punishment of large fine for not doing so without good reason and proof of said reason. yes its administratively a pain in the ass but its fairer no ?

 

[wildman]

You can't really legislate that kind of thing though can you? Given that democratic voting turnout isn't legislated?

it should be legislated at the same time

see previous post

 

[JHeaton]

You can't really legislate that kind of thing though can you? Given that democratic voting turnout isn't legislated?

That needs dealing with too, but is for another thread, I think.

 

[LOAM]

No god please, lets not talk about voting again though ( I nearly tore my eyes out at the time of the AV referendum

 

[do_ron_ron]

and the majority of the public who are fed up of listening to bloated union chiefs talk about equality for their workers while living in mansions and quaffing champagne........

Stupid post!!

You could equally say that about any head of a firm e.g. gas/electricity etc etc etc. We are sick of petrol companies pleading poverty and putting up prices immediately but are tardy when there has been falls. Ditto gas/electricity

 

[Irish_Tom]

51% of the total eligible members voting yes at the very least.

I take it you voted for AV then seeing as our current electoral system can be won with less than 50% of the vote?

 

[GAC]

The public sector is too big, full stop, never mind how much individuals are paid.

thats a nice fair view you have.

maybe you could explaine that to your local binmen and street cleaners, that because middle managers are on too much and have nice fat pensions they have to work for longer weather there physicaly able to or not.

the same people who in a lot of areas have had there pay frozen for the past 3 years and in a few had it dropped.

but as you say, its too big so i guess the guys at the bottom getting a kicking is just as well as the guys further up, a savings a saving after all.

 

[scorza]

As long as 100% of the union membership are balloted, which they are, I don't see what the problem is? If people choose not to vote then that choice should be respected, it is not appropriate to assume that they are favouring one choice over another. There's a good argument for a minimum turnout, however it should be something like 20%.

By the way, in the referendum on whether there should be a Greater London Authority (including directly elected mayor), voter turnout was 34%. Does that mean we should get rid of the GLA?

 

[wildman]

51% of the total eligible members voting yes at the very least.

I fear that is not really achievable as it would require a 100% turn out to get a yes. That's a bit oppressive as you are loading the system to ensure they can never go on strike. I am not stating that the right to strike should be removed, but only the right to strike and go on strike should be represented by a much larger proportion of the eligible voters in the union

 

[Mucky_Pup]

The whole, marking and lesson plan things always seems to me to be something which is over exagerated to no end in my opinion, as is the "they go into school during the summer holidays every single day you know" (now unless my teachers had mastered teleportation, or had tunnelled in, there was barely ever a car at any of my schools over the summer holidays).

The last few years at my comprehensive school, the majority of lessons were worked from structured books, set by edexcel or whoever, and published by a publishing company, so where's the planning in that exactly? And unless they reanimate the remains of Mr. Pythagoras anytime soon, is GCSE level mathematics going to be revolutionised anytime soon, or will it still be teaching decimals, ratios, and basic algebra? So once you have it sorted, how is it hard exactly to rinse, and repeat when your current year 10 class goes on to year 11, and you have a new year 10 class? Obviously you have to account for the minor alterations the governing boards change every year, but I've never heard of that drastic a change taking place.

 

[do_ron_ron]

And 60% decided that this was a non issue for them so did not vote.
The majority of people polled decided that striking was not for them.

So why is there a strike when the majority do not agree with it?

Don't talk such a load of tosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when had people's laziness or other reason not to vote counted as a 'no' vote.

On that crazy basis no recent Govt should have been in office because the majority voted against them.

 

[MANFACE]

I live in the countryside, is there a strike on ?

 

[wildman]

Stupid post!!

You could equally say that about any head of a firm e.g. gas/electricity etc etc etc. We are sick of petrol companies pleading poverty and putting up prices immediately but are tardy when there has been falls. Ditto gas/electricity

those companies are not paid for by public taxation, the top directors get paid based on the profits generated, shareholder get dividends based on anual turnover.

So your post is actually a stupid one not mine.

 

[platypus]

Stupid post!!

You could equally say that about any head of a firm e.g. gas/electricity etc etc etc. We are sick of petrol companies pleading poverty and putting up prices immediately but are tardy when there has been falls. Ditto gas/electricity

No, your posts are the stupid ones. You're advocating two things that are different to be the same.

Private companies spending their money on whatever they hell they want is up to them, if their shareholders go for it, then a pay off the size of the banking crisis would be ok if they could afford it. Leaders of the unions who are on tax payer funded salaries and pensions are not the same.

 

[do_ron_ron]

talk is cheap, votes are what counts

That's right and the majority of those that could be bothered vote were for a strike. Simples.

 

[wildman]

Don't talk such a load of tosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since when had people's laziness or other reason not to vote counted as a 'no' vote.

On that crazy basis no recent Govt should have been in office because the majority voted against them.

and since when did they count for a yes vote ?

you have a serious logic issue my friend, or you are an idiot, take your pick

 

[Vonhelmet]

thats a nice fair view you have.

maybe you could explaine that to your local binmen and street cleaners, that because middle managers are on too much and have nice fat pensions they have to work for longer weather there physicaly able to or not.

the same people who in a lot of areas have had there pay frozen for the past 3 years and in a few had it dropped.

but as you say, its too big so i guess the guys at the bottom getting a kicking is just as well as the guys further up, a savings a saving after all.

If it was reduced in size then savings could be made and useful employees paid more.

But sure, feel free to label me a right wing monster for daring to suggest that it's ludicrous that the government employs a third of the workforce, or whatever the number is.

 

[wildman]

That's right and the majority of those that could be bothered vote were for a strike. Simples.

even if it is not represntative of the entire union membership ?

there is a lot of ludditism going on in this thread

 

[scorza]

and since when did they count for a yes vote ?

you have a serious logic issue my friend, or you are an idiot, take your pick

They don't count as either a yes vote or a no vote. Is that so difficult to understand?

 

[do_ron_ron]

hence why we need legislation that requires x% turn out to legitimise a strike. You can't and shouldn't be able to pull out an entire workforce based on a non representative number of voters

Ridiculous arguement in a democracy.

As long as the Govt cannot be elected until it has 50.1% of the entire eligible vote, the above is dangerous and will leqad to more rather than less disruption.