Why do people buy into apple BS?

[Morba]

So the issue here is that the OP is jealous of a company that can market things better than his preferred choice in this market?

Also, slower tech? The response time of the screens, on everything except the latest Android phones, is frankly crap in comparison to iOS products. Terrible response time from apparently superior products.... how rubbish.

His other argument is that Apple users ram their usage "home"? I find its more the apple hating spanners who get upset over someone saying 'iphone' or 'ipad'.
Grow up, get on with your life you sad bunch of spanners.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

Apples hardware is not bad its just their pricing is absolutely ludicrous.

We have done this before. Its getting old.

1) Go to the mac website and put together a build
2) Go to ANY OTHER SYSTEM BUILDERS website and put together an equivalent build (like for like)
3) Notice it costs exactly the same

 

[Morba]

We have done this before. Its getting old.

1) Go to the mac website and put together a build
2) Go to ANY OTHER SYSTEM BUILDERS website and put together an equivalent build (like for like)
3) Notice it costs exactly the same

4) sell it on after a while and notice how the Apple product has held more value. Depreciation is less.

 

[scorza]

That's nothing to do with Apple though. People have always been happy to explain their latest bit of technology to an interested party. I bet if you went back far enough, after someone's just pioneered a breakthrough in arrow-heads, he'd be happily enough to explain its functionality to his peers if quizzed.

Yes I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I think one of the main differences though is that after a quick 5 minute demo of an Apple product, I usually end up thinking "wow!". After a quick 5 minute demo of a say, HTC product, I feel a bit I'm sure these Android based products are all very good, but for me they don't have the wow factor.

 

[Nix]

4) sell it on after a while and notice how the Apple product has held more value. Depreciation is less.

So by logic, it's better to invest in a second-hand non-Apple product?

It's a computer, not a piece of artwork. Depreciation is a really daft argument to latch on to.

 

[Morba]

So by logic, it's better to invest in a second-hand non-Apple product?

It's a computer, not a piece of artwork. Depreciation is a really daft argument to latch on to.

Depreciation is not a daft argument to latch on to at all. When it comes to upgrade time, knowing you will get more for your product is a good thing, no?

I guess depreciation of cars also means nothing to you?

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Another debate about products AGAIN. Why ? ? ? ?

All products out on the market today work extremly well together in todays society.

The way workflow is designed and apps are designed on Apple devices is the main reason why people go for Apple. The designs are far greater even if the hardware is alittle slower. It certainly doesn't feel that way.

Please just stop with the debate on brands.

Hats off to Apple's marketing department, they could get people to pay for air, sorry iAir.

Macbook Air get it right.

 

[ubersonic]

We have done this before. Its getting old.

1) Go to the mac website and put together a build
2) Go to ANY OTHER SYSTEM BUILDERS website and put together an equivalent build (like for like)
3) Notice it costs exactly the same

I got as far as (3) but Dell wanted < half the price (including a better CPU), nice try though.

 

[gropingmantis]

We have done this before. Its getting old.

1) Go to the mac website and put together a build
2) Go to ANY OTHER SYSTEM BUILDERS website and put together an equivalent build (like for like)
3) Notice it costs exactly the same

Not a totally sound argument there as atleast with a PC I have the option of building it myself from parts cheaper...can you build a Mac from parts???

I got as far as (3) but Dell wanted < half the price (including a better CPU), nice try though.

Just did this too. Oh well.

 

[Edrof]

So now I want a Samsung tablet. Thanks OP...

 

[Vonhelmet]

I got as far as (3) but Dell wanted < half the price (including a better CPU), nice try though.

Can you match for screen quality?

 

[BunnyKillBot]

I got as far as (3) but Dell wanted < half the price (including a better CPU), nice try though.

Just did this too. Oh well.

Prove it, post it.

I bet you a loaf of hovis you have not done like for like. You have done 'oh this will do' and oh look, a cheaper product.

Which means you end up comparing the steep curve enthusiast market to the smooth curve mid market. WELL DONE ECONOMICS FAIL.

 

[Nix]

Depreciation is not a daft argument to latch on to at all. When it comes to upgrade time, knowing you will get more for your product is a good thing, no?

I guess depreciation of cars also means nothing to you?

Right, let's back up because you've missed the point.

A car is not a computer. They're apples and oranges, that wont rub here.

A computer is a piece of contemporary technology that by virtue of being mass-produced and with the rate of innovation (a top of the range PC now will be completely outdated within 5 years - that doesn't apply to cars) depreciation really doesn't apply.

If you have the two pieces of kit that are brand new, and cost the same and are of equal spec and the mac for some unknown reason retains its apprecation compared to a normal PC, then it is more sensible to buy the second-hand PC over the mac two/three years from now.

If macs do not depreciate, the people who choose to buy them second-hand are either absolutely stupid or they would be better off saving a little more and buying brand-new anyway. In which case, those buying second-hand macs are only validating peoples earlier assumptions of buying it for the name as opposed to functionality.

Technology becomes redundant far too quickly for appreciation to ever be applied, unlike cars which can remain appreciated for decades.

Appreciation/depreciation really isn't an argument you can apply here. Cars, yes. Personal computers, no.

 

[gropingmantis]

Can you match for screen quality?

No but if I wanted I could just attach an Apple screen to my PC.

 

[Bumhug]

I love my ipad and I used to hate apple with a passion. Was thinking of getting a tablet for a while but couldnt really justify it, then classroom management software I use released an ios app and that was it sold. Funny thing is the app turned out to be crap and I never use it, but ipad gets a lot of use.

My dad had a play with it and decided he wanted one, but given his needs got him to get a galaxy tab 7.1 instead. His does everything and more he wanted to do on it as does mine, both very happy with out purchases

My mum on the other hand got a blackberry curve, because it came in purple....

 

[Morba]

Appreciation/depreciation really isn't an argument you can apply here.

Yes it is. I know that come upgrade time I will get more for my iphone than I would for an SGS that was bought at the same time.
That means I have to shell out less for my next phone.

That IS something that I can apply here, regardless of the reasons for the difference in depreciation, because it true.

Oh and cars depreciate immediately after purchase and keep dropping for a long time.

 

[Caseh]

It always makes me laugh when people rant about Apple "fanbois" pretending to be superior, yet it's ALWAYS people having a go at Apple. I never see anyone make a thread about how good Apple are, and that Android sucks.

I own neither Android nor Apple products. But I am amazed, however, at just how much stick "the apple crowd" get from Android fans, when it's the Android fans that are in everyones faces. (I'm not saying all are, but when there is a fanboy debate, it's generally Android fans starting it).

Also, I never realised just how much of a pleb easyrider really is.

 

[Nix]

Yes it is. I know that come upgrade time I will get more for my iphone than I would for an SGS that was bought at the same time.
That means I have to shell out less for my next phone.

That IS something that I can apply here, regardless of the reasons for the difference in depreciation, because it true.

And are there really enough idiots out there to buy a second-hand mac for twice as much as a PC of the same spec or newer mac of better functionality?

It's not something I think you can rely on concretely enough as part of your decision making process in investing in a Mac. You're looking it completely wrong when you're buying it if you're looking at it in terms of an investment you can later sell-on. You're buying a piece of kit for use there and then, so focus on that. Being able to sell it on is completely irrelevant and to large degree, entirely moot as you can't guarantee an idiot will be there to actually buy it, whereas with depreciated goods - which is where I'm deeming the 'market' to actually be in terms of demand - there will be, by virtue a higher threshold to sell-to. Holding appreciation when equal spec is depreciating, is simply not going with the relative market for supply and demand and thus not actually in your favour. Again, daft point.

 

[ubersonic]

Prove it, post it.

Go to the apple store and choose the Xeon 4 core mac pro, its just over £2k. Go to the dell site and build a workstation (home computers don't use Xeons) with a Xeon 4 core, you can get a system with a faster CPU, more ram, same HDD/DVD and an equal GFX card (5770 wasn't available form dell) for < half the price.

If you really want to quibble about the GFX card being different then a customer could buy the dell system and a new 5770 then swap them and make a profit selling the stock card.



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looks like you ninja edited your post while I was replying..

I bet you a loaf of hovis you have not done like for like. You have done 'oh this will do' and oh look, a cheaper product.

Which means you end up comparing the steep curve enthusiast market to the smooth curve mid market. WELL DONE ECONOMICS FAIL.

Yay free bread

 

[Alpherah]

Unless the reviewers are telling porkies, the Flash performance of rival tab's is terrible to un-usable depending on what you buy. So i wouldn't use that with a stick to beat Apple with. Even exec's at RIM think its a stupid angle to take, as their internal memo the other week proves, it basically slammed their promotion as being a waste of money and telling people something they dont care about.

It always makes me laugh when people rant about Apple "fanbois" pretending to be superior, yet it's ALWAYS people having a go at Apple. I never see anyone make a thread about how good Apple are, and that Android sucks.

I own neither Android nor Apple products. But I am amazed, however, at just how much stick "the apple crowd" get from Android fans, when it's the Android fans that are in everyones faces. (I'm not saying all are, but when there is a fanboy debate, it's generally Android fans starting it).

Also, I never realised just how much of a pleb easyrider really is.

Inferiority complex!

Anyway, i own a fair bit of apple stuff but im no fanboy, not at all, it was all purchased for a reason.

Imac - At uni we use Imac's for everything 'design' related, considering i could get HE discount, considering i like the OS and considering i dont game anymore, it seemed like a logical decision

Ipad - I wanted a tablet, there were no others available at the time, and being honest none of the new tablets are good enough now to make me jump ship considering my outlay on apps. . maybe if a comparable tablet (screen size, weight, power) was available at say .. £150 cheaper, then i'd consider it.
Additionally, my GF 'recently' got an Ipad 1 as well, a certain retail store panic sold when the IP2 came out and she got a 16gb Wifi 3g for £179, do any rival tabs come close to this price/performance ?

Iphone - Went Iphone 3g -> Iphone 4 (although i have a friends old 3gs as well, JB'd, which i like to experiment with). Honestly, at the time the 3g was the only phone which did everything i wanted, after spending $$$ on apps, its a no brainer to go to the Iphone 4.
Are there better phones then IP4? yes, are they cheaper? not really, slightly. Cheap enough to justify loosing all the $ spent on apps? Not even close.