Gypsy gang deliberately drowned pony.

What Gypsies in question? Why would there be Gypsies in question? What is your purpose in life?

You're wrong, get over it, grow up.

And then to truly win the debate you must; and this is essential here, tell the person they are wrong don't discuss it, for added points attack their age implying ignorance.

Oh and my purpose in life? To live a long and happy life with my soulmate and animals with as little distress and hardship as possible.
 

you're surprised that making racist and bigoted statements brought a strong response from those affected by the generalizations

Start a thread saying how all the people that have emigrated here from India should be wiped out because they are .... and see where that gets you.

Much the same i imagine.
 
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"I ******* hate ******"
 
So gypsies, drown horses to wind newspaper readers up? :rolleyes:

I'll say it again:
Do you really think Gypsy's purposely drowned one of their pony's that helps to keep them in a living?
Isn't it more likely that they were cleaning off their animals which is a normal Gypsy thing to do and one of the pony's got into trouble?
Would they really drown a pony in sight of loads of witnesses?
Complete BS and funnily enough not reported anywhere else except a newspaper which normally gets a 'It was in the Daily Fail, it didn't happen' type response.
 
I'll say it again:
Do you really think Gypsy's purposely drowned one of their pony's that helps to keep them in a living?
Isn't it more likely that they were cleaning off their animals which is a normal Gypsy thing to do and one of the pony's got into trouble?
Would they really drown a pony in sight of loads of witnesses?
Complete BS and funnily enough not reported anywhere else except a newspaper which normally gets a 'It was in the Daily Fail, it didn't happen' type response.
I don't know either way, but why are you so certain that they weren't trying to drown a pony?
 
I don't know either way, but why are you so certain that they weren't trying to drown a pony?

Because Gypsies look after their pony's/horses like family and it doesn't make sense.
If they were seen shoving pony's into the water they were simply cleaning them and the traps.

I've just read one of the replies off the DM site:
" I spoke to a friend who works at the lake, teaching sailing, last night and he told me the horses were taken into the water to cool off after a hot ride. Apparently this is a common practice, although it was rather stupid to do it in a gravel pit.!"

This confirms that it was an accident, so called witnesses saw it completely wrong and of course Gypsies don't clean their mess up.

On the subject of multiple witnesses getting it wrong, the BBC setup a studio of 200 people a few years ago and staged an argument between a big man, a smaller man and a woman.
This all happened before the show and the audience thought it was for real.
At the end of the show Nikki Campbell asked the audience about the incident and got people to raise their hands to what they believed happened.
Amazingly only one person saw that the woman hit the big man and then Nikki Campbell played it back.
 
Dimple leave him at it he's a confused racist and a holocost deniar. Rationale doesn't work.

Yep, attack the person not the argument. :rolleyes:

I'll say it again:
Do you really think Gypsy's purposely drowned one of their pony's that helps to keep them in a living?
Isn't it more likely that they were cleaning off their animals which is a normal Gypsy thing to do and one of the pony's got into trouble?
Would they really drown a pony in sight of loads of witnesses?
Complete BS and funnily enough not reported anywhere else except a newspaper which normally gets a 'It was in the Daily Fail, it didn't happen' type response.

It has happened before don't you know? FYI you use a bloody brush to clean horses.

If you want to cool a horse off you take off all there equipment apart from the bridle and let them go in, if they wish. You don't drive them into the water with sticks with a flipping cart attached!

And lets not bring into question the way they treat animals, like when they kill their fighting dogs because they don't want to pay the vets bill.
 
Because Gypsies look after their pony's/horses like family and it doesn't make sense.
Ok, so rather a loose basis for coming to your conclusion. Likewise, 'other people' also like ponies and wouldn't drown them for fun, either. Your argument is flawed.


If they were seen shoving pony's into the water they were simply cleaning them and the traps.
You can't know that. The scant quotations from the article seem to suggest the exact opposite:
Police spokesman Alan Smith added: ‘When the attempt to push a second and third pony into the lake failed, the group of people drove them and their traps away in the direction of Yateley.
So one of the ponies drowned yet they thought it was a good idea to try again with the other two?

I personally don't know if it has been misreported but until someone who was there or one of the authorities clarifies the situation, you don't either.
 
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FYI you use a bloody brush to clean horses.
If you want to cool a horse off you take off all there equipment apart from the bridle and let them go in, if they wish. You don't drive them into the water with sticks with a flipping cart attached!

Looking at the Health & Safety aspects and common sense that is the way to do it and nobody is denying that however this is something they do all around the world where they can clean both things at the same time.
Accidents happen and hopefully these idiots have learnt a valuable lesson.
 
The sad thing is if it had been 'men drowned an illegal immigrant who had been claiming dole for 8 years' we all know the reaction here would be very much more muted :/

If the Guardian printed 'man burns kitten alive then drives home and kills jobless immigrant owner' .. OCUK thread title would be 'Poor little kitty - owned by scum then burnt' !!!!! ... :)
 
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i could go to a council estate called Marsh Farm in Luton and seen worse than that.
yet another sweeping bigoted generalisation :(

Before you go calling bigotry, learn to write correctly, then read what I said again and you will see a related experience tempered with what is generally held as common knowledge. It's unfortunate that some travelling groups have a certain reputation, but there you go. They have it none the less and for good reason. I don't generally go out of my way to cause other people trouble, even for those who I might hold less a than positive opinion of - that goes for everyone and while we all indulge in stereotyping, these stereotypes are based on a certain amount of truth; in this case, one which is backed up (amongst other events) by the large number of drain and man-hole covers removed from a long stretch of the A447, creating a danger to drivers and a substantial cost to the local highways authority to replace the missing covers.
Calling thieving, violent scum, thieving and violent is not bigoted. It's a simple statement of fact. Were there no incidents of stealing and criminal damage and such as I have already described, there would be no need for me to hold any negative preconception (prejudice, if you like) regarding any communities, either diverse or related to 'travellers' as they are regarded in modern parlance.

I'd agree with that, and I like how you differentiated between ****** and gypsies. Where abouts in the Mids are you from dude?. I'm from Dudley, we have quite a few gypsy communities scattered about.

I'm leicester based myself, but out in the sticks where most of the negative events transpired is hinkley & bosworth/coalville/tamworth area.
Sadly you have to differentiate the good from the bad as it were, leaving generalising prejudice aside. But what can you do? There's a long and respected tradition of itinerant and semi-nomadic peoples throughout europe (some of these rent fields for their ponies from the locals with little or no trouble, to add a little balance to all this), but then there's also the aforementioned scum. I've met both. But I don't mean to lecture you on this, I'm just thinking aloud :o
Some of this reminds me of the two lurcher dogs hung from bridge **graphic image link** I remember at the time there was a lot of local speculation that it was ****** who were responsible, also that it was just some local yobs, or even farmers who may have been responsible. I can't say who is, but it reminded me of the sort of local disgust for the incident that parallels some of the talk here.

So the guys bigoted for sharing experiences that his family and locals have experienced? Jesus Christ man!

:p
Often the opposite end of the daily fail thinking is just as blinkered... it's why I picked at his retort in the way I did above because he only read what he wanted to read in what I said, at least I acknowledged my generalisation raised by this incident with the ponies could be wrong, amongst other things - that's the irony of stereotyping for you :D we all do it, justified or not.
 
If it was 'pony drowned gypsies' would you all be as nasty about the pony as you have the gypsies?


Seriously ... think about it .... because if not, then we're talking about plain old racism here ...
 
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