If you own one company, sure, if you own 30 or 40 then it becomes a different ballgame... Even more so when full logging of day to day activities by individual employees isn't being done.
Milly Dowler's voicemail was hacked by News of the Screws
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If you own one company, sure, if you own 30 or 40 then it becomes a different ballgame... Even more so when full logging of day to day activities by individual employees isn't being done.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/20/bskyb-david-cameron-news-international
Getting this thread sort of back on topic (ahem) - David Cameron refused to deny that he had met with News International about the proposed BSkyB acquisition. When asked at PMQs, he stated that he had never had "an inappropriate conversation" in relation to the BSkyB bid. Given the Prime Minister's spectacular failures of judgement recently, is he the best person to decide what an appropriate conversation is?
Getting this thread sort of back on topic (ahem) - David Cameron refused to deny that he had met with News International about the proposed BSkyB acquisition. When asked at PMQs, he stated that he had never had "an inappropriate conversation" in relation to the BSkyB bid. Given the Prime Minister's spectacular failures of judgement recently, is he the best person to decide what an appropriate conversation is?
By employing Coulson who denied knowledge of hacking under oath...do you want the PM to read minds?
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No, just the relevent culture committee reports that should have made the choice to not employ Coulson more easier for him.
This isn't a case of what happened between those two men with regards to Coulson lying; but his judgement about the employment in the circumstances in the first place. The lying, and subsequent fall out, is only compounding the larger issue (for Cameron).
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Given that a conversation could be anything with the words BSkyB in, do you really expect him to have had no conversations with anyone around the merger, even just to tell them the legal processes would have to be followed?
Plenty of people warned him, a MP today stood up in the House of Commons and specifically asked Cameron why hadn't replied to his letter on the subject.
well, apart from it doesn't if he he read what was actually there, rather than what you think was there
Tefal side-stepping a discussion he is losing? Knock me down with a feather!You seem very well informed about children's ages and school years.
Do have something you'd like to confess
Ps. I confess that I can remember when I went to school.
But that does bring back the idea of should we blacklist people from employment without actual evidence of wrongdoing? There's probably a thread there somewhere actually...
well, apart from it doesn't if he he read what was actually there, rather than what you think was there
So, it said News International was all hunky dory, did it?
Come off it.
No, it said that there was no evidence that Coulson had any knowledge of what had occurred, but that he was right to resign as he was accountable for the management failure.
Should that management failure be enough to consider him 'blacklisted' from future employment with different responsibilities and arguably in a different sector altogether?
hasn't this story dragged long enough? 
it seems to persist more due to hysteria rather than actual newsworthy merit...
ok, so NotW accessed the voicemail of lots of people to get juicy stories. not nice, but hey, that's how papers get stories sometimes...
MPs expenses fiddling? wikileaks? Ryan Giggs? pretty similar, confidential information made public because it was newsworthy...
NotW went too far, they behaved disgracefully because innocent, non attention-seeking people, were also hacked. Fine, they paid for that - NotW no longer exist. But, that's that, a line should have been drawn on the matter after that...
For all those wanting Cameron to resign over this, are you serious? Did anyone die? a few people were upset - that's it - the paper was closed down, a criminal investigation will take place.
8 years ago, the country was lied to, we started an illegal war, hundreds of thousands of iraqis died based on the single-minded insistence of Blair who wanted to re-enact a modern day crusade - and now, someone as uncharismatic as Miliband, is hammering on and on about this issue
enough already lol
it seems to persist more due to hysteria rather than actual newsworthy merit...
ok, so NotW accessed the voicemail of lots of people to get juicy stories. not nice, but hey, that's how papers get stories sometimes...
MPs expenses fiddling? wikileaks? Ryan Giggs? pretty similar, confidential information made public because it was newsworthy...
NotW went too far, they behaved disgracefully because innocent, non attention-seeking people, were also hacked. Fine, they paid for that - NotW no longer exist. But, that's that, a line should have been drawn on the matter after that...
For all those wanting Cameron to resign over this, are you serious? Did anyone die? a few people were upset - that's it - the paper was closed down, a criminal investigation will take place.
8 years ago, the country was lied to, we started an illegal war, hundreds of thousands of iraqis died based on the single-minded insistence of Blair who wanted to re-enact a modern day crusade - and now, someone as uncharismatic as Miliband, is hammering on and on about this issue
enough already lol
That is irrelevent, it isn't about his wrong doing or not. It's the fact that Cameron went out on a limb to take him on board dismissing valid concerns from all cornerns of Westminster about his appointment and the poo hit the fan. Coulson himself is a distraction, it's the PM's descision making with the scales of probability and over arching evidence that is the issue.
He didn't think the lid would blow off this, and it has.
hasn't this story dragged long enough?
it seems to persist more due to hysteria rather than actual newsworthy merit...
ok, so NotW accessed the voicemail of lots of people to get juicy stories. not nice, but hey, that's how papers get stories sometimes...
MPs expenses fiddling? wikileaks? Ryan Giggs? pretty similar, confidential information made public because it was newsworthy...
NotW went too far, they behaved disgracefully because innocent, non attention-seeking people, were also hacked. Fine, they paid for that - NotW no longer exist. But, that's that, a line should have been drawn on the matter after that...
For all those wanting Cameron to resign over this, are you serious? Did anyone die? a few people were upset - that's it - the paper was closed down, a criminal investigation will take place.
8 years ago, the country was lied to, we started an illegal war, hundreds of thousands of iraqis died based on the single-minded insistence of Blair who wanted to re-enact a modern day crusade - and now, someone as uncharismatic as Miliband, is hammering on and on about this issue
enough already lol
It's also worth remembering that this all occurred while Blair, Brown and Labour generally were cosying up to News International and Murdoch, Cameron has just been left clearing up the mess that occured while the previous government was in power, and failed to investigate it sufficiently...
So again, it said News International was all hunky dory, did it?
You mean personal failure, and in terms of Government and the corridors of power.. I'd have to say yes to at least a time bar.
And the Conservatives were more than happy to stand in Westminster, support that illegal invasion, and scrawl war in blood upon the halls of Westminster with Labour.
They didn't ask the pertinent questions then either, funnily enough..
wasn't Brown acting all outraged last week in the House of Commons?
in reality he and Blair were closer mates with Murdoch than most people appreciate
all the hacking happened while labour were in power, the police were ineffective, the then labour government were also happy to collude and sweep the whole thing under the carpet - but now it's all about "outrage", and "errors of judgement" - the hypocrisy is unreal
No, it didn't, as well you know. However, it also acknowledged that although Coulson was accountable for the failure, and thus correct to resign, he was not responsible or aware of it based on the evidence available.
Well, if blacklisting of employees is acceptable, surely in the interests of fairness and equality, it has to apply from the top to the bottom of the employment market? Maybe we need a database of employee blacklisting based on everything from hearsay to disciplinary action open to all employers...
Why was Cameron initially refusing an enquiry then?
Ah, you mean the hypocrisy goes deeper than you'd like to open your eyes too
most of us supported the actions at the time - that's the whole point about being given false set of facts to work from