Battlefield 3 no XP support

Number_25 · 18 Jul 2011 at 18:10

Sp00n said:
I remember sounding like that before I upgraded to 7, then I upgraded and wondered why it took me so long to do it.

Just let go.

+1. When I first installed Vista back in 2006 and I was extremely disappointing and reinstalled XP. Windows 7 is a more complete operating system.

silversurfer · 18 Jul 2011 at 18:30

Come in XP your time is up

Don't get me wrong it's a good OS but I still use XP on my laptop and bar flashier interface I've seen little difference for what I need my computer for.

If it aint broke dont fix it. Agreed but this would be a different scenario

OpenToSuggestions · 18 Jul 2011 at 18:32

XP came out in 2001. It is older than my Gamebube and Xbox.

Let it die and upgrade to 64bit 7!

orderoftheflame · 18 Jul 2011 at 18:59

Rack said:
You can have that perception, but for me not being ram limited is a means not an end. If there was a game that required a 64bit OS with 4 or 8 gig of RAM but used that to create a world of unparallelled detail, or some advanced AI routines or scaling then I'd understand it. But if a game instead provides the same or less detail than other games on a 32-bit OS then all it provides are higher system requirements. I know some people really dig that stuff but when I build a sstem I don't want to have to upgrade it just to play the same kind of thing I could play before. Buying a new £700 system to enable me to play a game that looks worse than some of the games my old "obsolete" one could run feels like extortion.

Uh.. Ok, I think you're a bit mental.. There are known issues with XP 64 bit, it's not just an opinion I have.

If your systems so old that you're concerned about the need to buy an entire new machine to play modern games, I think you've missed the entire point of this argument. I wouldn't even think about installing Windows 7 on a P4 with 512mb ram, or some other old bucket.

We're talking about people using modern machines with an outdated operating system, where the cost of upgrading is minimal.

QlimaxUK · 18 Jul 2011 at 19:28

mglover070588 said:
Let it die and upgrade to 64bit 7!

My XP is on life support

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QlimaxUK · 18 Jul 2011 at 19:43

orderoftheflame said:
If your systems so old that you're concerned about the need to buy an entire new machine to play modern games, I think you've missed the entire point of this argument. I wouldn't even think about installing Windows 7 on a P4 with 512mb ram, or some other old bucket.

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orderoftheflame · 18 Jul 2011 at 19:46

QlimaxUK said:
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Well they're you go then. All these people with pre-historic hardware have no reason not to now.

Rack · 19 Jul 2011 at 19:42

orderoftheflame said:
Uh.. Ok, I think you're a bit mental.. There are known issues with XP 64 bit, it's not just an opinion I have.

If your systems so old that you're concerned about the need to buy an entire new machine to play modern games, I think you've missed the entire point of this argument. I wouldn't even think about installing Windows 7 on a P4 with 512mb ram, or some other old bucket.

We're talking about people using modern machines with an outdated operating system, where the cost of upgrading is minimal.

I'm not talking about XP 64 bit, I'm saying that just being able to use 4gig isn't an advantage because there's nothing to take advantage of it. A 64 bit OS might make sense if I was into video editing but so far there are games that demand it, but none that take advantage of it.

You don't need to bring up a P4 old-bucket because there are degrees here. I'm on a C2D 6600, 2gig RAM 4850. If I want to be able to run Battlefield 3 then I have to spend £70 on an OS which offers me absolutely no benefit other than being able to run Battlefield 3 and Just Cause 2 (and Halo 2 I guess...)

That's a non-option really, if I'm going to upgrade then it needs to be a proper upgrade, for about 700 I can build a system that will last 3 or 4 years before it becomes redundant. That would be easier to swallow if there was a title that looked markedly better than Crysis which my old machine can handle reasonably well.

Gerard · 19 Jul 2011 at 19:51

Anyone else amazed by the fact that a thread about news that was new in the time of Moses (or last year to be more precise) has still managed to spawn into 9 pages? :confused:

Spook187 · 19 Jul 2011 at 19:58

Rack said:
I'm not talking about XP 64 bit, I'm saying that just being able to use 4gig isn't an advantage because there's nothing to take advantage of it. A 64 bit OS might make sense if I was into video editing but so far there are games that demand it, but none that take advantage of it.

You don't need to bring up a P4 old-bucket because there are degrees here. I'm on a C2D 6600, 2gig RAM 4850. If I want to be able to run Battlefield 3 then I have to spend £70 on an OS which offers me absolutely no benefit other than being able to run Battlefield 3 and Just Cause 2 (and Halo 2 I guess...)

That's a non-option really, if I'm going to upgrade then it needs to be a proper upgrade, for about 700 I can build a system that will last 3 or 4 years before it becomes redundant. That would be easier to swallow if there was a title that looked markedly better than Crysis which my old machine can handle reasonably well.

lol i think you will need to spend a little more than £70 to run bf3 on your spec,xp was rubbish i have not had one problem with win 7 64 bit,xp i had loads of problems.

1LANCS · 19 Jul 2011 at 20:15

QlimaxUK said:
well not just aero, the whole interface/look of it with NO option to 'switch' back to an XP look.. and they also changed all the control panel settings layouts

Orly?

Windows Basic is an XP Style look if you didnt like classic, but i dont think anyone would run Luna willingly.
You can also change control panel back to regular view by clicking "view by" and changing it to small or large icons, you get full list.

silversurfer · 19 Jul 2011 at 20:24

Yea I use the classic one, no aero crap. Cant be having that fancy stuff, its for girls

Also have a quick launch bar same as xp

orderoftheflame · 19 Jul 2011 at 20:37

Rack said:
I'm not talking about XP 64 bit, I'm saying that just being able to use 4gig isn't an advantage because there's nothing to take advantage of it. A 64 bit OS might make sense if I was into video editing but so far there are games that demand it, but none that take advantage of it.

2gb ram is a pitiful amount for a MODERN machine now, especially given how cheap it is. I can't believe you can sit there and just exclaim that there's no advantage whatsoever to be had from doubling the available system memory for a machine.

Sit in the stone age all you like, we'll all move on without you.

Lethagized · 20 Jul 2011 at 18:45

Rack said:
I'm not talking about XP 64 bit, I'm saying that just being able to use 4gig isn't an advantage because there's nothing to take advantage of it.

How do you know BF3 doesn't take advantage of it? Also FYI, even 32bit Win7 Home basic and upwards takes advantage of 4gb ram. Sorry, but you're talking rubbish by saying more ram is pointless because nothing takes advantage of it.

Rack said:
I'm on a C2D 6600, 2gig RAM 4850. If I want to be able to run Battlefield 3 then I have to spend £70 on an OS which offers me absolutely no benefit other than being able to run Battlefield 3 and Just Cause 2 (and Halo 2 I guess...)

It offers you the opportunity to play the latest BF3 game, that's what it does pal. It obviously offers much more than that over Xp, but we're talking about operating systems and BF3 here, so the former can be talked about in a different forum

If it bothers you that much about the £££, then get vista.
Still, even if you did get Win7, your rig would be at it's knees upon playing the game. Even that BC2 port needs a Quad core to play properly

I'm surprised you haven't moaned that you need to upgrade your whole pc to play BF3 now? After all, it offers nothing except to play BF3 doesn't it

Also, is there any reason why you're limiting yourself to DX9 when you have a DX10 Gpu, and limiting yourself to a 32bit os, when you have a 64bit capable cpu? Seems odd :confused:

Orderoftheflame is right. You're just in the stone ages and everyone has left you behind. If you did upgrades gradually like everyone else, you wouldn't be left needing a whole new rig to play the very latest games. You only have yourself to blame. Don't go blaming Dice for pushing the market

Rack said:
That would be easier to swallow if there was a title that looked markedly better than Crysis which my old machine can handle reasonably well.

Well, the game hasn't been released yet, so give it a chance. I am confident it will look markedly better than crysis. Why do you insist it has to look better to warrant a os upgrade? Makes little sense to me. Also, i doubt crysis running reasonably well on your machine would look anywhere near decent looking. It would more than likely look like minimum settings on BF3.

Tombo · 20 Jul 2011 at 19:33

Hey the 4850 isn't that bad!

QlimaxUK · 22 Jul 2011 at 17:44

i also still use DDR2 RAM...

im thinking about making an XP/win7 dual boot close to the release date of BF3 but will need a few 'upgrades' first

my first question: RAM: 4 GB or 8 GB??? will I notice much different, and can my board support 2 GB sticks? JW-IP35-PRO (not the abit one)
next question: WHY WHY WHY does Windows 7 NOT include outlook express or any other email program so your forced to find/download an email program instead of just pre-installing it within windows?

PhillyDee · 22 Jul 2011 at 18:07

QlimaxUK said:
i also still use DDR2 RAM...

im thinking about making an XP/win7 dual boot close to the release date of BF3 but will need a few 'upgrades' first

my first question: RAM: 4 GB or 8 GB??? will I notice much different, and can my board support 2 GB sticks? JW-IP35-PRO (not the abit one)
next question: WHY WHY WHY does Windows 7 NOT include outlook express or any other email program so your forced to find/download an email program instead of just pre-installing it within windows?

Anti-competitive laws . . . . BS tbh! I use Windows Live Mail, just a download along with messenger etc. The essentials pack.

Mr Krugga · 22 Jul 2011 at 18:20

QlimaxUK said:
i also still use DDR2 RAM...

im thinking about making an XP/win7 dual boot close to the release date of BF3 but will need a few 'upgrades' first

my first question: RAM: 4 GB or 8 GB??? will I notice much different, and can my board support 2 GB sticks? JW-IP35-PRO (not the abit one)
next question: WHY WHY WHY does Windows 7 NOT include outlook express or any other email program so your forced to find/download an email program instead of just pre-installing it within windows?

I don't know of any games that make use of more than 4GB RAM.

The answer to your second question is here - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Where-is-Outlook-Express.

LeJosh · 22 Jul 2011 at 18:23

Tombo said:
Hey the 4850 isn't that bad!

Damn straight, wonderful little card.

Rack · 24 Jul 2011 at 20:48

RobRX-7 said:
How do you know BF3 doesn't take advantage of it? Also FYI, even 32bit Win7 Home basic and upwards takes advantage of 4gb ram. Sorry, but you're talking rubbish by saying more ram is pointless because nothing takes advantage of it.

It offers you the opportunity to play the latest BF3 game, that's what it does pal. It obviously offers much more than that over Xp, but we're talking about operating systems and BF3 here, so the former can be talked about in a different forum

If it bothers you that much about the £££, then get vista.
Still, even if you did get Win7, your rig would be at it's knees upon playing the game. Even that BC2 port needs a Quad core to play properly

I'm surprised you haven't moaned that you need to upgrade your whole pc to play BF3 now? After all, it offers nothing except to play BF3 doesn't it

Also, is there any reason why you're limiting yourself to DX9 when you have a DX10 Gpu, and limiting yourself to a 32bit os, when you have a 64bit capable cpu? Seems odd

Orderoftheflame is right. You're just in the stone ages and everyone has left you behind. If you did upgrades gradually like everyone else, you wouldn't be left needing a whole new rig to play the very latest games. You only have yourself to blame. Don't go blaming Dice for pushing the market

Well, the game hasn't been released yet, so give it a chance. I am confident it will look markedly better than crysis. Why do you insist it has to look better to warrant a os upgrade? Makes little sense to me. Also, i doubt crysis running reasonably well on your machine would look anywhere near decent looking. It would more than likely look like minimum settings on BF3.

Ooh, there's a whole load of fun here, all mixed into one point. Ultimately though it comes down to the fact that BF3 should run very well indeed on my system. It runs on a 360, so my system should bring it to it's knees, not the other way around. If they want to add extra DX11 eye candy then that's one thing, but for it to do less than 200fps on medium on my system is nothing short of incompetence. That it will barely run at all even if I were to upgrade OS is either world class incompetence or straight up villainy.

And it all ties neatly into what I consider an upgrade. Using extra RAM isn't an upgrade, 64 bitness isn't an upgrade. An upgrade is a larger world, more believable AI or at the very least better graphics, and if those aren't on offer then I'm not going to be held to ransom buying new hardware and software just to run games that look and play the same as or worse than games I can already run.

As for piecemeal upgrades that doesn't make sense either. With the exception of a handful of incredibly poorly optimised titles my current PC can run everything released before this year on high settings with a decent framerate. If I want the same on titles released this year then aside from a new OS I need a better processor and more RAM, which ultimately means a motherboard upgrade and before long a graphics card upgrade too. That's pretty much an entire replacement system. No point in spending £60 on RAM and £70 on a new OS that I'll need to replace in a year anyway.