Gunman on Virginia Tech campus

Kwerk, if you didnt know, you are the man in the story who clumsily tried to draw down on me, either forgetting to take the safety off, not having time to load one into the chamber, or being too fat of an American to be able to pull the trigger.

Its that kind of attitude that having a gun makes you a hero Chuck Norris that gets so so many people killed and allows so many stolen guns to be on the street.

Glocks dont have safeties and I always carry it chambered, and it has a custom enlarged trigger guard for wearing gloves, or having fat fingers.
 
A perfect recipe for not blowing a small hole in your leg...

Are you in an open carry or concealed carry state?

Both but I do CC. That's the standard way of carrying a glock and most other guns. As long as you follow the safety rules and have a proper holster you'll never have an accident.

Sights on target, finger on trigger.
Sights off target, finger off trigger.
 
There were over 3 murders in my city last year, I will NOT become a statistic.

Do you believe that pulling out a gun as opposed to handing over your wallet would put you in greater or lesser danger while being robbed at gunpoint.

Compare the number of robberies vs number of murders during robberies or even just all murders in your area.

Its a very small chance that you'd actually get killed whilst being robbed at gunpoint.

By pulling out a gun yourself you're massively increasing the chance of shots being fired - you're therefore significantly increasing the chance that you and/or an innocent bystander will get shot.

Even if you're trained to use the gun you've still put yourself into a very very risky situation buy getting into a (brief) contact. Contrast that with simply handing over your wallet which gives you a very slim chance of actually being shot.

Unless you're likely to have people specifically try to kill you there isn't much reason to carry a gun around 24/7.
 
Do you believe that pulling out a gun as opposed to handing over your wallet would put you in greater or lesser danger while being robbed at gunpoint.

Compare the number of robberies vs number of murders during robberies or even just all murders in your area.

Its a very small chance that you'd actually get killed whilst being robbed at gunpoint.

By pulling out a gun yourself you're massively increasing the chance of shots being fired - you're therefore significantly increasing the chance that you and/or an innocent bystander will get shot.

Even if you're trained to use the gun you've still put yourself into a very very risky situation buy getting into a (brief) contact. Contrast that with simply handing over your wallet which gives you a very slim chance of actually being shot.

Unless you're likely to have people specifically try to kill you there isn't much reason to carry a gun around 24/7.

Well, partially true. The crime reduction benefit from concealed carry comes from the passer by intervention effect, rather than the victim being armed.
 
True but they should at least wait until there's proof that it happend or they're going to look like ***s when it turns out to be a waterpistol or some other such nonsense!

edit: but then again The "ZOMG Panic" reaction from Americans doesn't really surprise me tbh!
Wouldn't you rather them be proactive on it?

Proactive and a bit of embarrassment/looking foolish far outweighs unnecessary deaths.
 
Well, partially true.

Totally true, but you've raised a different point

The crime reduction benefit from concealed carry comes from the passer by intervention effect, rather than the victim being armed.

In some circumstances perhaps, sometimes... but opens up even more possibilities for things going wrong. Now the guy who would have simply given up his wallet and reported the incident to the police is caught up in a gun battle because some fat have a go hero is exercising his 2nd amendment rights.

The stats speak for themselves on this matter tbh...
 
I heard you got 2 swole legs though, how much you squat bro?

Kwerks troll is mostly lost on this forum, no one knows anything about guns to get the humour.
Only 220 kilos nothing to special, given up the heavy lifting now and focusing on shrinking.
 
Jesus either I'm an expert troll or everyone in this thread is borderline simple, and I'm not an expert troll. Obviously I'm having a laugh and not serious but I suppose you'd have to be part of the gun culture to find it funny.

I do have a license to carry a gun though and carry it most of the time. I've had professional training, shoot handguns competitively, familiar with the laws and scenarios, probably have 25,000+ rounds downrange on handguns by now, etc etc.

The first part of what dowie says is right it's a thing of absolute last resort. I'm fine with losing my wallet over risking a gun fight. But if I'm in a BK and a guy walks in and blasts the server in face I'm most likely going to shoot and try to GTFO. I can shoot as fast I can raise my hand from my waist and get a flash sight pic or just point shoot if it's close. It's either that or sit and wait while he rounds everyone up to the back room to execute witnesses (which HAS happened many times).

The important part (what I semi-joked about with condition white/yellow/orange) is being aware of stuff before it happens. If you see someone through the window coming to the door with a mask on and a gun in their hand that's the time to react, not when they are already pointing a gun on you.
 
I'm a supporter of firearms, would love to carry concealed and one day will make the effort to get the permit for a shotgun (for target shooting).

Its the bystander effect that makes all of the difference. I cannot remember the precise situation, but I remember reading of a shooting that took place in a American dinner. One of the people in the dinner was a deputy police officer from out of state who usually carried concealed but to comply with state laws he (I actually think it was a she) left the firearm in the car. Long story short, a shooter went a bit mental and killed a fair few people. People that wouldn't have died if someone was carrying and could have ended the situation.

How quickly would something like virginia Tech have been over in if one of the students was carrying concealed?
 
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