Lack of fathers root cause of violence

unknownsock · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:35

spudbynight said:
We, as a country, need to stop making excuses. It isn't about legislating - it is about educating. Don't force parents to marry but educate them that it is better to be married than not.

I still fail to see a reason to get married. Other than your basis on statistics.

spudbynight · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:35

mmj_uk said:
You could just easily argue that the lack of discipline is down to mothers being shunted off back to work so soon after giving birth. Talking of 50yrs ago back then it was a mothers duty first and foremost to bring up the children, nowadays more often than not both parents are working due to financial necessity and the kids get shipped around from pillar to post.

I would argue that point but one for another thread?

spudbynight · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:36

unknownsock said:
I still fail to see a reason to get married. Other than your basis on statistics.

Well give me a single reason not to get married?

Brian8bit · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:36

spudbynight said:
Well give me a single reason not to get married?

"PROVE HE DOESN'T EXIST!"

antijoke · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:37

Spudbynight, are you religious?

StriderX · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:37

Brian8bit said:
"PROVE HE DOESN'T EXIST!"

Im sorry but just dont go there.

Marriage needs to be seen less as an consumer event, like so many other events have turned into, theres no LOGICAL reason for most marriages to cost so much money.

We simply need parents to be better parents, this isnt only about commitment to eachother, if the parents canNOT commit to their child, its failed from the get go.

unknownsock · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:39

spudbynight said:
Well give me a single reason not to get married?

Because I don't agree on marriage, simple.

Brian8bit · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:40

StriderX said:
Im sorry but just dont go there.

That was my point. Arguing why or why not to get married will be just the same as does he or does he not exist. There's no rationalising with people that are adamant something they can't prove exists, does in fact exist. But believe the onus is on doubters to prove his non-existence. Chocolate teapot.

LordSplodge · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:40

Brian8bit said:
No, you're implying that not getting married shows a lack of committment which to be honest is damn right insulting and stinks of the holier than thou attitude typical of Christians.

Brian8bit said:
"PROVE HE DOESN'T EXIST!"

What. Is. Your. Problem? Seriously. Can't you separate marriage from Christianity in your head?

spudbynight · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:40

unknownsock said:
Because I don't agree on marriage, simple.

Why? That isn't a reason.

antijoke · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:41

StriderX said:
We simply need parents to be better parents, this isnt only about commitment to eachother, if the parents can commit to their child, its failed from the get go.

I assume you mean cannot commit to their child.

Brian8bit · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:41

LordSplodge said:
What. Is. Your. Problem? Seriously. Can't you separate marriage from Christianity in your head?

Not just Christianity, but every monotheistic abrahamic religion. And every other religion that thinks that pairing up in front of "Gods" it's impossible to prove exist means your committment is any greater than someone who doesn't.

spudbynight · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:43

LordSplodge said:
What. Is. Your. Problem? Seriously. Can't you separate marriage from Christianity in your head?

That is why I stick him on ignore.

Orcish-Horde · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:43

spudbynight said:
You seem to agree that a stable mother and father is the best option. There will always be exceptions.

Very much so but you don't need marrage for that and when one element it not stable, marrage in a way is a danger to the children.

LordSplodge · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:43

Brian8bit said:
Not just Christianity, but every monotheistic abrahamic religion.

...and the relevance to marriage is?

Brian8bit · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:45

LordSplodge said:
...and the relevance to marriage is?

And the relevance to the significance of commitment to marriage is?

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:45

spudbynight said:
.......

A married mother and father is the best environment for a child to be brought up in. Having a single parent is inferior. Having unmarried parents is inferior. Having two same sex parents is inferior.

Wow so much ******** in so few words.

Whats marriage got to do with parenting?

R0B75 · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:47

LordSplodge said:
Nobody has a child (or gets married) assuming they are going to end up splitting up but when you chose to reproduce you should take the responsibility of making sure the child is as protected as possible.

I absolutely agree but I don't see why getting married is the answer. A responsible set of parents will put the child first after a split, regardless if they were married or not. My parents were married and split up, we (my brothers and I) were the priority and we turned out ok.

That is what its all about, responsible parenting, instilling the right morals and making sure children know right from wrong from a very early age and it doesn't matter if this comes from a single parent or a couple, married or otherwise. It really is that simple in my experience.

Captain Chaos · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:47

LordSplodge said:
You seem to have some issues with marriage.

My only issue is that I dont believe in it. It DOES not keep you together. Commitment does. Getting married imo does not show commitment, it shows you want a party. It does not stop your relationship going down the toilet, if it wasnt going to last.

It angers me that I have to justify it to people. Whats the problem? Am I a bad person lol

Meh, you pays your money, you take your chances

Gothic Draconia · 10 Aug 2011 at 10:50