Nvidia unofficially, officially caught cheating in Crysis 2

Final8y · 17 Aug 2011 at 09:49

drunkenmaster said:
Yes, and that would harm Nvidia performance........... how?

Funny thing is besides DA2, NV spanks AMD in AMD sponsored titles most of the time.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 17 Aug 2011 at 10:25

Final8y said:
Funny thing is besides DA2, NV spanks AMD in AMD sponsored titles most of the time.

Funny you say that. Both Metro 2033 and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat use DX11 and tessellation and the AMD cards are generally faster:

http://www.techspot.com/review/359-nvidia-geforce-gtx-560ti/page9.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4135/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-ti-upsetting-the-250-market/11

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4135/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-ti-upsetting-the-250-market/7

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/40165-amd-radeon-hd-6950-1gb-review-12.html

Metro2033 is an Nvidia sponsored game and was used by Nvidia in their presentations to show tesselation in a game.

Final8y · 17 Aug 2011 at 10:28

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Funny you say that. Both Metro 2033 and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat use DX11 and tessellation and the AMD cards are generally faster:

http://www.techspot.com/review/359-nvidia-geforce-gtx-560ti/page9.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4135/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-ti-upsetting-the-250-market/11

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4135/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-ti-upsetting-the-250-market/7

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/40165-amd-radeon-hd-6950-1gb-review-12.html

Metro2033 is an Nvidia sponsored game and was used by Nvidia in their presentations to show tesselation in a game.

There is always exceptions to the rule.
But point out the relevant parts in those benches because i still see NV owning in them with the exception of the ATI Dual GPU card beating the NV Single GPU card.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 17 Aug 2011 at 10:35

Final8y said:
There is always exceptions to the rule.

Looking at this review the HD6950 1GB is similarly priced to a GTX560TI but is overall around 5% faster in a range of DX10 and DX11 titles:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ws/40165-amd-radeon-hd-6950-1gb-review-6.html

The GTX560 non-TI is not faster than an HD6870 1GB too:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...366-nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-1gb-review-17.html

The HD6790 is faster than the GTX550TI:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/42228-amd-radeon-hd-6790-1gb-review-19.html

The GTS450 could barely beat the HD5750. The HD5770 1GB is not only cheaper but faster too. All the Nvidia cards under the GTS450 are rubbish compared to the AMD cards.

So no,not an exception to the rule.

The only card which I would say have an edge is the GTX580.

Broken Hope · 17 Aug 2011 at 10:39

Krony said:
It's not Nvidia's fault AMD suck at tesselation

You realise this also hurts most of Nvidia's own cards right? I'm guessing not because you don't actually seem to understand the article at all and just jump in with fanboy comments.

Final8y · 17 Aug 2011 at 10:43

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Looking at this review the HD6950 1GB is similarly priced to a GTX560TI but is overall around 5% faster in a range of DX10 and DX11 titles:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ws/40165-amd-radeon-hd-6950-1gb-review-6.html

The GTX560 non-TI is not faster than an HD6870 1GB too:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...366-nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-1gb-review-17.html

The HD6790 is faster than the GTX550TI:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/42228-amd-radeon-hd-6790-1gb-review-19.html

The GTS450 could barely beat the HD5750. The HD5770 1GB is not only cheaper but faster too.

So no,not an exception to the rule.

The only cards which I would say have an edge is the GTX580.

The way NV scale down their GPUs & because of the way they are designed the tessellation gets scaled down greater then on scaled down AMD cards.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 17 Aug 2011 at 10:52

Final8y said:
The way NV scale down their GPUs & because of the way they are designed the tessellation gets scaled down greater then on scaled down AMD cards.

So basically for 99% of gamers the AMD cards are not slower then or trade blows with the Nvidia cards.

The sub £100 gaming market is owned by AMD whose cards are faster in most cases,cheaper,cheaper to make and suck less power too.

In the £100 to £200 market they trade blows with Nvidia even in many DX11 titles.

In the HD6950 1GB and GTX560TI 1GB comparison in the 6 DX11 titles tested,the HD6950 1GB was faster in 4 of them. The HD6870 1GB and GTX560 were split evenly and the HD6790 was faster in 5 DX11 titles when compared to the GTX550TI.

rancid_elf · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:00

So if I am reading this thread correctly then you are saying that a games development house have deliberately coded something to make AMD cards look bad. I suppose you also believe the Government is hiding Alien space craft and man never landed on the moon.

Sorry but as a games developer myself ( for the last 25 years ) I can assure you that programmers have more to worry about than making hardware manufacturers look bad lmao.

Final8y · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:00

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So basically for 99% of gamers the AMD cards are not slower then or trade blows with the Nvidia cards.

The sub £100 gaming market is owned by AMD whose cards are faster in most cases,cheaper,cheaper to make and suck less power too.

In the £100 to £200 market they trade blows with Nvidia even in many DX11 titles.

In the HD6950 1GB and GTX560TI 1GB comparison in the 6 DX11 titles tested,the HD6950 1GB was faster in 4 of them. The HD6870 1GB and GTX560TI were split evenly and the HD6790 was faster in 5 DX11 titles when compared to the GTX550TI.

I think you missed my point & that's why i asked you to point out your point & its clear i was talking about the high end.

But then again that points out that NV cards are not that good when scaled down & when reasonable mounts of tessellation is used.

So AMD approach to tessellation maybe better over all where it sells the most cards.

An Exception · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:26

Rroff said:
Ah but you could equally say Dirt 2/3 purposely under-use tessellation so as not to expose ATI/AMD weakness in that area... its still conjecture at best.

How many people here predicted such a response from Rroff?

@Rroff

Honestly, and maybe you can't see it now... but one day you will look back and cringe at the place you are at, and thank above for whatever caused you to wake up...

An Exception · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:34

rancid_elf said:
So if I am reading this thread correctly then you are saying that a games development house have deliberately coded something to make AMD cards look bad. I suppose you also believe the Government is hiding Alien space craft and man never landed on the moon.

Sorry but as a games developer myself ( for the last 25 years ) I can assure you that programmers have more to worry about than making hardware manufacturers look bad lmao.

What a rancid comment, so actually daring to speak of what's blatantly obvious makes us & TTR all conspiracy nut's now does it, is that what your trying to associate people with so they shy away from the truth?

Next you'l be saying you work for Crytek...

Final8y · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:35

Ejizz said:
How many people here predicted such a response from Rroff?

@Rroff

Honestly, and maybe you can't see it now... but one day you will look back and cringe at the place you are at, and thank above for whatever caused you to wake up...

He has already backtracked quietly on other things like GPU Physx which he was second only to Pottsey in its promoting as the second coming & how it will be used to great effect & now has backed off a bit with NV 3D as well while both matters are progressing in they way i thought they would under NV.

Broken Hope · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:35

rancid_elf said:
Sorry but as a games developer myself ( for the last 25 years ) I can assure you that programmers have more to worry about than making hardware manufacturers look bad lmao.

Yeah cause I'm sure if a company paid your company $2 million dollars to code something a certain way you wouldn't do it..

Final8y · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:37

Broken Hope said:
Yeah cause I'm sure if a company paid your company $2 million dollars to code something a certain way you wouldn't do it..

Exactly what i would have said if i could be bothered.

KelDG · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:44

rancid_elf said:
So if I am reading this thread correctly then you are saying that a games development house have deliberately coded something to make AMD cards look bad. I suppose you also believe the Government is hiding Alien space craft and man never landed on the moon.

Sorry but as a games developer myself ( for the last 25 years ) I can assure you that programmers have more to worry about than making hardware manufacturers look bad lmao.

I seriously doubt you work in the gaming industry or what ever game house you work for should seriously consider terminating your employment. Either you have not read the thread and missed the point of what is being discussed, or are not competent enough to differentiate between coding and modelling. Coding has nothing to do with this.

Next time you try to insult us all by calling us conspiracy nuts, at least know what you are talking about. :/

rancid_elf · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:49

Broken Hope said:
Yeah cause I'm sure if a company paid your company $2 million dollars to code something a certain way you wouldn't do it..

Why not wait until you actually know what you are talking about before you make uneducated comments.

Crytek are in the the business of developing and selling games.. If you were in that same business would you develop a product that would suffer on half of your audiences machines?

Think logically rather than always thinking there is some deep dark act going on. Why would anyone develop a product which would suffer one 50% of its markets machines.. Think what sales they would loose if they actually did that.. A lot more than 2 million trust me.. LMAO..

Some people have nothing better to do that sit back and think up conspiracy theories. Sad really

EDIT

@KelDG You really have no idea do you? lmao coding and modelling.. OMFG I give up..

Final8y · 17 Aug 2011 at 11:52

rancid_elf said:
Why not wait until you actually know what you are talking about before you make uneducated comments.

Crytek are in the the business of developing and selling games.. If you were in that same business would you develop a product that would suffer on half of your audiences machines?

Think logically rather than always thinking there is some deep dark act going on. Why would anyone develop a product which would suffer one 50% of its markets machines.. Think what sales they would loose if they actually did that.. A lot more than 2 million trust me.. LMAO..

Some people have nothing better to do that sit back and think up conspiracy theories. Sad really

Because 95% of that 50% don't know any better & will pre order & buy it anyway & there is little chance of a refund even if they become aware or understand what's going on with the game.

rancid_elf · 17 Aug 2011 at 12:01

Final8y said:
Because 95% of that 50% don't know any better & will pre order & buy it anyway & there is little chance of a refund even if they become aware or understand what's going on with the game.

nVidia says to Crytek.. "guys we will pay you to make your game nuffed on Ati cards"

Crytek to themselves " What a great idea.. lets rubish our companies name "

Crytek employee to Ati " guess what guys nVidia paid us to do this"

Ati in court "cool huge rewards coming our way from lawsuits "

Get the picture..LMAO..

KelDG · 17 Aug 2011 at 12:03

OK rancidelf, tell me what coding has to do with the model of that concrete sleeper shown above. Tell me how coding has anything to do with that model being overly dense. Tell me how that model who's maximum poly count iteration that was created by a modeller in crytek has anything to do with coding.

We are not talking about AMD vs NVIDIA tessellation efficiency. We are talking about the models in the games being pointlessly overly dense.

Final8y · 17 Aug 2011 at 12:07

rancid_elf said:
nVidia says to Crytek.. "guys we will pay you to make your game nuffed on Ati cards"

Crytek to themselves " What a great idea.. lets rubish our companies name "

Crytek employee to Ati " guess what guys nVidia paid us to do this"

Ati in court "cool huge rewards coming our way from lawsuits "

Get the picture..LMAO..

First the game came without the NV paid for stuff.

Second because none of stuff that NV paid for is compulsory, it can all be turned off, but the stuff has clearly been done in NV favour after all they did pay for it.

So no, no court action & if it could not be turned off i would be asking for my money back.