Poll: Rebels rolling into Tripoli

[Cosimo]

The RAF would walk all over the Syrian Air Force.

With the budget cuts that is probably all they could do.

 

[Pate]

With the budget cuts that is probably all they could do.

How very droll.



Personally I don't understand why we're getting involved. Our hands are not clean in this matter as it is, and there are so many other places we could have gotten involved in first if we were actually "decent guys helping out in this bleak economic climate".

 

[wildman]

They're all nutters. We should just leave them to it.

It makes no sense to put our troops lives in danger for no good reason.

This TBH.

It was a revolution, internal unrest, a political uprising. We had no god damn business being there in the first place. If its humanitarian why aren't the same governments busting their ass to get to Syria ?

Also these rag tag rebels wouldn't have made it past their own front door if it wasn't for the fact that NATO had a bunch of Apache gunships laying waste to anything they didn;t like the look of.

This is no real victory for the Libyans at all if anything they are likely to become another puppet state of the west.

 

[arknor]

This TBH.

It was a revolution, internal unrest, a political uprising. We had no god damn business being there in the first place. If its humanitarian why aren't the same governments busting their ass to get to Syria ?

Also these rag tag rebels wouldn't have made it past their own front door if it wasn't for the fact that NATO had a bunch of Apache gunships laying waste to anything they didn;t like the look of.

This is no real victory for the Libyans at all if anything they are likely to become another puppet state of the west.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/26/111109/new-rebel-leader-spent-much-of.html

 

[stulid]

Just listening to Gaddafi speech he made last night telling people dead or alive/do your duty, to defend tripoli.

LOL sounds desperate.

 

[Cosimo]

Just listening to Gaddafi speech he made last night telling people dead or alive/do your duty, to defend tripoli.

LOL sounds desperate.

Gaddafi Duck broadcasts all sound desparate.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

If the americans do not lead anything there generally seems to be success.

Success for British diplomacy....

 

[cmndr_andi]

If the americans do not lead anything there generally seems to be success.

Success for British diplomacy....

Lol, it does seem like that

However, that may be just the way they wanted to play it.

If you remember, back in march before the UNSC resolution there was vague hopes for a security council resolution for a no-fly zone (purely to prevent Gaddafi killing his own people with bombers and helicopters, which he was doing), but no realistic chance of it coming together quickly. Then in the space of a few days the americans "decided" they did want a no fly zone, and the ability to strike ground targets and got it passed without a veto from china or Russia. The way I see it, there was some serious back room pressure brought to bear by the USA then to get the thing through.

Also, when the military operation started it was fully US lead, with hundreds of cruise missiles, B2 stealth bombers, and many US aircraft brought to bear on the Gaddaffi regime. Only when the anti-aircraft infrastructure and a good deal of gaddafi's armour was disabled did the USA hand over to NATO and then quietly step back out of the spotlight (even though they continue to provide vital air-to-air refuelling, AWACs coverage and weapons resupply). Pretty good approach imho.

 

[Danthus]

If the americans do not lead anything there generally seems to be success.

Success for British diplomacy....

What is diplomatic about arming "rebels" and using cruise missiles, Typhoon fighter jets and Apache helicopters?

 

[do_ron_ron]

Then lets have his subjective answer.

I'm not interested in what was better for us. I'm interested in seeing justice for any crimes committed by Gadaffi including but not limited to:

The Lockerbie Bombing

It was a Syrian - guy admitted to it years ago

Funding the IRA

The Russians did this for many years.

and the PLO

A number of countries have done this.

The systematic murdering of Libyan dissidents around the world

Are you seriously suggesting that most states do not arrange for 'accidents' to happen to people they see as threats to their state.

The 1996 mass murder of 1200 Libyan prisoners

Things Britain has done:- supplying aircraft to bomb the people of East Timor or putting servicemen within the safe limits of atomic explosions. (the subject of a long running compensation claim by those affected ). Govt's do these things.

The deliberate targeting of civilians since the uprisings began

Only Gaddafi would know if this was true. The Western powers have been repeating this mantra since the start to justify their take-over.

OldCoals constantly goes on about the hypocrisy of the West's involvement. I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with his statements. I would merely like to know whether or not this possible hypocrisy is excuse for Gadaffi to go unpunished or at the very least criticised!

OldCoals is correct in his arguement that the West is being hypocritical. If you have lived a while and seen how Govt's have reacted or in some cases not reacted to situations that are similar you would view their actions/statements as self serving. Cameron doesn't give a XXXX about the Libyan people. Along with the rest - US, France - they want their own puppet in power.

As has been stated already Saddam was supported by the West until they decided his usefullness was over.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Also the Sky news live broadcast last night has been the best news broadcast i have ever seen, also their broadcast lastnight made all other news organisations look like mickey mouse operations. Absolutely brilliant that they had a reporter and sat feed with the main convey heading in. One point over news channels reporting Qaddaffi forces defending in Green Sqaure where sky was actually showing the celerbrations live in green square. Sky were just so far ahead of everyone.

 

[Danthus]

Getting the political consensus, with regional and international partners, needed to facilitate the above .

What about diplomacy between Gaddafi and the rebels, how was that ever going to work once we took sides and fought against Gaddafi?

 

[Pate]

At the end of the day it's just unfair. We have invaded a sovereign nation. The Libyans should have sorted their own affairs out.

 

[do_ron_ron]

I find it hard (when seeing the volume of support in Triploi) to think we were wrong to assist tbh.

A fact of life - people will cheer for any force that takes over. This has been seen in all conflicts in all regions of the world in all times. It is called survival. Nothing else can be read from it.

 

[Klo]

At the end of the day it's just unfair. We have invaded a sovereign nation. The Libyans should have sorted their own affairs out.

Fairness is subjective.

And anyway, life is unfair. Nothing you can do.

 

[cmndr_andi]

A fact of life - people will cheer for any force that takes over. This has been seen in all conflicts in all regions of the world in all times. It is called survival. Nothing else can be read from it.

Not seeing a lot of cheering here.

But seriously, if you watch those sky news pictures of the rebel column rolling towards green square - those were some really happy people. Almost as if the rule a brutal dictator had just come to an end.

At the end of the day it's just unfair. We have invaded a sovereign nation. The Libyans should have sorted their own affairs out.

By no definition did we "invade", and life's not fair.

 

[sxndy]

There will shortly be an opening for another country to have their internals messed with.

This is where the Governments e-petition could really kick in, it would be kinda like inciting a riot, but legally. Just nominate a country and democratically allow the populace to vote/discuss the merits of who to invade/mess-with next.....

This has got to be fairer system than relying on political payback and who has/hasn't got oil to decide?

 

[Robbo]

Sigh.

Do you ever take a break from the relentlessly boring anti-government pro-anarchy I-support-people-who-trash-Tesco theme that permeates every post you make to actually think before simply firing off yet more of the same?

Shot down in flames.



(Couldn't agree more)

 

[mmj_uk]

By no definition did we "invade", and life's not fair.

It's a coup d'état whichever way you look at it, like Afghanistan and Iraq. The 'rebels' (who make the London rioters look like saints) would never have got anywhere without our intervention as they are a minority.

The reason we supposedly went in was the stop the Libyan army using tanks in populated areas, yet what do we see on the news now? the 'rebels' using tanks in Tripoli.