Poll: Rebels rolling into Tripoli

Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 291 49.7%

  • No

    Votes: 294 50.3%
  • Total voters
    585
[TW]Fox;19888316 said:
We are so lucky to have so many well informed statesmen here on the internet. Hopefully one day all the people on the internet who know best can take over from the jokers who actually do it for a living.
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Are you seriously trying to say that the US, UK and France forced through the UN resolution for the reasons they claim???????????????????
 
do_ron_ron said:
A fact of life - people will cheer for any force that takes over. This has been seen in all conflicts in all regions of the world in all times. It is called survival. Nothing else can be read from it.
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so you're saying that given the choice they would prefer to remain under the rule of a tyrant who has suppressed them for 42 years whilst lining his own pockets ?

The fact that there was people on the TV saying they have been living in fear for years suggests otherwise tbh. But never let that get in the way of an opportunity to don the tinfoil hat and bash NATO/UK.
 
do_ron_ron said:
Protected the civilians that were on our Govt's preferred side you mean.
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It's perfectly legitimate for UNSC resolution to favour one side in a conflict over another - usually the side with the least amount of power. Don't pretend that the UNSC members, including Russia and China didn't know what they were voting or abstaining for.
 
TUNIS Aug 22 (Reuters) - A Libyan soldier gave himself up to Tunisian authorities in Tunis, saying he had been sent by Muammar Gaddafi's army to bomb an Arab embassy in the capital, Tunisia's military said on Monday.
"The Libyan officer, Abd Erazzak Al-Rajhi, has revealed this to the Tunisian army," Mokhtar Nasr, a Tunisian military official, said at a press conference. He said the target had been the embassy of an Arab country, but he did not specify.

Libyan state television has routinely accused Arab states Qatar and the United Arab Emirates of being "traitors" for supporting a rebel offensive seeking to topple Gaddafi.

Tunisia, on Libya's western border, has drawn thousands of refugees fleeing fighting and its revolution in January was seen as inspiration for uprisings across the Arab world.

Tunisian Prime Minister Beji Caid Sebsi congratulated Libya's rebel leadership by telephone on Monday for what he said was a "vitory of the Libyan people." (Reporting by Tarek Amara; writing by Richard Valdmanis; Editing by Maria Golovnina)

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LOAM said:
so you're saying that given the choice they would prefer to remain under the rule of a tyrant who has suppressed them for 42 years whilst lining his own pockets ?

The fact that there was people on the TV saying they have been living in fear for years suggests otherwise tbh. But never let that get in the way of an opportunity to don the tinfoil hat and bash NATO/UK.
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You are missing the point I made. People will always cheer the side they think are going to be the victor - out of personal survival.

Are you suggesting that anyone, surrounded by armed supporters of one side is going to say he supports the other side?? Get real!!
 
Oh, ok. I'll answer it.

'Yes'.

But then my hobbies don't include wearing tinfoil and thinking I'm totally clued up on the inner workings of governments whilst arguing about it on internet forums. Far more important things to be doing. Like arguing about cars.
 
do_ron_ron said:
You are missing the point I made. People will always cheer the side they think are going to be the victor - out of personal survival.

Are you suggesting that anyone, surrounded by armed supporters of one side is going to say he supports the other side?? Get real!!
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They weren't asked to express which side they were on were they ? They could have just have well stayed inside and wait to see which way it went. They didn't though did they, they chose to be on the streets and speaking to western media and rebel soldiers.

It has nothing to do with personal survival whatsoever. For all they knew the incoming soldiers were heading into a massive slaughter. You just cant accept the fact that they wanted this to occur, and it doesn't fit with your agenda.

Listen to the Libyans who are being interviewed on the radio all day. They are beyond elated that this is happening.
 
[TW]Fox;19891289 said:
Oh, ok. I'll answer it.

'Yes'.

But then my hobbies don't include wearing tinfoil and thinking I'm totally clued up on the inner workings of governments whilst arguing about it on internet forums. Far more important things to be doing. Like arguing about cars.
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Stick to arguing about cars(and wearing foil hats) ;)

You do not have a clue about Govt workings.
 
LOAM said:
They weren't asked to express which side they were on were they ? They could have just have well stayed inside and wait to see which way it went. They didn't though did they, they chose to be on the streets and speaking to western media and rebel soldiers.

It has nothing to do with personal survival whatsoever. For all they knew the incoming soldiers were heading into a massive slaughter. You just cant accept the fact that they wanted this to occur, and it doesn't fit with your agenda.

Listen to the Libyans who are being interviewed on the radio all day. They are beyond elated that this is happening.
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You are still missing the point I made. It has nothing to do with personal agendas.

It is normal human behaviour to side with the winner. Look at history, almost every victor is popular.
 
do_ron_ron said:
You do not have a clue about Govt workings.
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Thats my point.

And neither does pretty much anyone else in this thread. Very easy for us to sit in comfy chairs in front of computers in the free world and make judgements on decisions others have had to make courtesy of our 24/7 Sky news feed, isn't it?
 
do_ron_ron said:
You are still missing the point I made. It has nothing to do with personal agendas.

It is normal human behaviour to side with the winner. Look at history, almost every victor is popular.
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I'm not missing the point you made, its just that your point it so stupid it makes little sense. Again I say, they didn't / don't know who the winner was / is. Your approaching this as if its past tense. I'll try one more time then I'll give up.

The people came on to the streets as the rebels came in, nobody knew how it would end. It was their choice to come out onto the street, nobody forced them to choose a side (apart from the current regime, who had been forcing them for 42 years). This has nothing to do with who the winners are, as that hasn't been played out yet.
 
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