Convince me to buy a Civic Type R (EP3)!
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This is what you really want to do. Actually, this is what I really want to do, but it costs so much damn money!
Supercharged K20's are mega !
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Engine:
JRSC 7psi Kit (291bhp, 189lbft)
RC 650cc Injectors
Hondata KPro
Tegiwa M Carbon Induction Kit
SFS Silicone hoses (Coolant and induction)
Ultralite Carbon Plug Cover
TODA Race Header
TODA High Power System with Ti Dolphin Tip
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Engine:
JRSC 7psi Kit (291bhp, 189lbft)
RC 650cc Injectors
Hondata KPro
Tegiwa M Carbon Induction Kit
SFS Silicone hoses (Coolant and induction)
Ultralite Carbon Plug Cover
TODA Race Header
TODA High Power System with Ti Dolphin Tip
I bought a '52 plate EP3 about 6 or so years ago with 25k on the clock and still have it now with 103k on the clock.
In the 80k miles I've done it's only gone wrong once (at a cost of £500 or so - needed new injectors). Other than that the running costs will be on par with any other modern hatchback.
You get the usual "you have to thrash it to get anywhere", which is correct if you want to crash your car or lose your licence but for day to day driving the car still has good enough pickup above 3k rpm to get a move on.
I've driven a 300+ bhp fiat coupe at Spa, that was fun - but didn't enjoy the 'turbo' power delivery.
I've driven my g/f's 120D (not so fun) but still fairly quick (0-60 in 7.5 secs or so - it's chipped).
Sure the EP3 isn't as 'exotic' (if you can call it that) as the Fiat Coupe or as quiet/well built as the BMW but everytime I get into the EP3, even after the 80k miles I've done in it, the Vtec (yo!), and 'chuck-a-bility' still puts a smile on my face.
*edit* I don't see the point in spending 3-4k on an EP3 then a further 2-3k+ on a supercharger/turbo... Why not just buy a faster/better 5k-7k car instead (E36 M3, 350Z, S2000 etc)?
Or having read some of this thread, just get a ******* Corolla...
In the 80k miles I've done it's only gone wrong once (at a cost of £500 or so - needed new injectors). Other than that the running costs will be on par with any other modern hatchback.
You get the usual "you have to thrash it to get anywhere", which is correct if you want to crash your car or lose your licence but for day to day driving the car still has good enough pickup above 3k rpm to get a move on.
I've driven a 300+ bhp fiat coupe at Spa, that was fun - but didn't enjoy the 'turbo' power delivery.
I've driven my g/f's 120D (not so fun) but still fairly quick (0-60 in 7.5 secs or so - it's chipped).
Sure the EP3 isn't as 'exotic' (if you can call it that) as the Fiat Coupe or as quiet/well built as the BMW but everytime I get into the EP3, even after the 80k miles I've done in it, the Vtec (yo!), and 'chuck-a-bility' still puts a smile on my face.
*edit* I don't see the point in spending 3-4k on an EP3 then a further 2-3k+ on a supercharger/turbo... Why not just buy a faster/better 5k-7k car instead (E36 M3, 350Z, S2000 etc)?
Or having read some of this thread, just get a ******* Corolla...
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You can buy the pre super charged corolla t sport compressor for a reasonable sum. they have better handling than standard corolla and 215-225bhp stock...
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Evo said:
Maybe the engine makes up for it, what with its supercharger?
Evo said:
Ah.
I think its pretty fair to just ignore the Corolla when considering a credible hot hatch.
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[TW]Fox;19928827 said:
But from personal experience important just not sure how accurate evo really is. throw a cone filter on the 2zz, it de restricts the intake and noise, and you get this amazing bwwwwaaarp noise through ever gear and it sounds immense.
Most evo articles go on about torque and how they hate how they have to work an engine - something that other people may well enjoy. i know because ive had an evo subscription for the past 3 years. if an engine isn't oozing torque they just aren't so interested.
On the one hand evo say 158lb wont leap out at you, yet its more than a civic type r and thats at 4000 revs not 6000 like a civic.
And i did read some other reviews stating that the standard t sport engine is a great engine that will make you smile, so its definitely a subjective account...
just watch and listen, i think it sounds good...
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And a Golf diesel develops even more torque at even lower revs so will be even more of a monster, right?
It's about how and where that torque is delivered.
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[TW]Fox;19931359 said:
Except a golf diesel doesn't rev to 8200 like the corolla does it? Talk about a power band, but with extra mental top end kick! Did you watch the video + can you comment on the noise?
I agree but it's a little different when the example car you give weighs about 640kg!
The reason a type r engine is fun to drive is because all the power is in the upper range, it feels more like a sporty car. As fox said if I just wanted torque to put me back in my seat i'd buy a diesel.
You need a lot of torque to make you smile, you only need a twisty road and a stock type r to do the same.
Actually i'm not a fan of the EP3, or the FN2, not a fan of their look or the way they drive. Infact in stock form the engine even feels held back and weak.
You need a lot of torque to make you smile, you only need a twisty road and a stock type r to do the same.
Actually i'm not a fan of the EP3, or the FN2, not a fan of their look or the way they drive. Infact in stock form the engine even feels held back and weak.
Realscot do you still have the MB6?
Just wanted your opinion on what they're like, looking to purchase one as my next motor, and because I need a 5 door and want a VTEC y0, I was looking at these. How much can you get out of the engine as I know it's a 170bhp, but with long gear ratios it's 0-60 is around 8.0 seconds? Does it feel quick with the long gear ratios?
I miss my MB6 VTI-S 
It drops out of VTEC between 1st and 2nd and it's noticeable, but far from the end of the world.
I ended up changing the gearbox to an Post '98 S80 box from an ITR and it made it a much better drive.
It's a great car - made better with some good suspension and bracing. Engine mods are expensive, I did manifold, exhaust and decat with an induction kit and left it at that.
I felt it wasn't worth the outlay for engine mods.
Wish I could have kept it
It drops out of VTEC between 1st and 2nd and it's noticeable, but far from the end of the world.
I ended up changing the gearbox to an Post '98 S80 box from an ITR and it made it a much better drive.
It's a great car - made better with some good suspension and bracing. Engine mods are expensive, I did manifold, exhaust and decat with an induction kit and left it at that.
I felt it wasn't worth the outlay for engine mods.
Wish I could have kept it
Really nice car, that's the one I'm after. I missed a sale on Pistonheads as one got sold for £500 
. Didn't look in a nice a condition as that, but it was a runner from what I was told.
With those mods how much did it put out, near enough 185? I was thinking the same, or you could always lower the VTEC point.
The b18c's in these; are they just downgraded Teg engines, and the parts are transferable?
. Didn't look in a nice a condition as that, but it was a runner from what I was told.With those mods how much did it put out, near enough 185? I was thinking the same, or you could always lower the VTEC point.
The b18c's in these; are they just downgraded Teg engines, and the parts are transferable?
Difficult to say really - I went on a RR day but everyones cars (Honda's across the board) failed to make expected power on the day (stock cars didn't come near stock figures ~20bhp down).
Wasn't really sure what to make of it but mine made 17bhp more than a looked after stock example on the day and was one of 2 or 3 cars that made stock power on the day (albeit with mods).
They are essentially B18C6's in a lower state of tune but with several notable differences. Mainly a different OBD loom and ECU, dual stage inlet manifold opposed to the single one on ITR's - butterflies open at 4500rpm, VTEC at 5800rpm I think. B18C6 had port and polish, higher compression, different cams and valve springs amongst other stuff.
Parts are transferable but to be honest I think you are much better off doing an engine swap or supercharging if you want more out of it.
Wasn't really sure what to make of it but mine made 17bhp more than a looked after stock example on the day and was one of 2 or 3 cars that made stock power on the day (albeit with mods).
They are essentially B18C6's in a lower state of tune but with several notable differences. Mainly a different OBD loom and ECU, dual stage inlet manifold opposed to the single one on ITR's - butterflies open at 4500rpm, VTEC at 5800rpm I think. B18C6 had port and polish, higher compression, different cams and valve springs amongst other stuff.
Parts are transferable but to be honest I think you are much better off doing an engine swap or supercharging if you want more out of it.