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The who, the what the and where? I don't think I've ever seen so many acronyms in one post!
E&E = Escape and Evasion training. Involves recruits having to get to a set number of checkpoints within a time limit (few days I think) without being caught by the hunters.
TQ = Tactical Questioning. This apparently involves would be recruits being put in stress positions, having white noise blared at them, being interrogated regularly and just having an overall unpleasant experience. Recruits can only answer with a few stock answers (name & rank), anything else will result in a failure.
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Im sure all spec ops selection procedures are brutal but I wonder how they all compare just out of interest. For example US Navy SEALs have the infamous Hell Week and SAS is known for the "Fan Dance". I was readin the other day about the elite German Mountain Force and what they have to go through...yikes. I would last like 30 seconds in all of those! If im lucky.
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Im sure all spec ops selection procedures are brutal but I wonder how they all compare just out of interest. For example US Navy SEALs have the infamous Hell Week and SAS is known for the "Fan Dance". I was readin the other day about the elite German Mountain Force and what they have to go through...yikes. I would last like 30 seconds in all of those! If im lucky.
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TQ is apparently 36 hours of interrogation and it isn't with tea and biscuits.
E&E apparently involves trying to evade capture, getting captured anyway and given a good shoeing by a squad of Paras before being handed over for TQ.
E&E apparently involves trying to evade capture, getting captured anyway and given a good shoeing by a squad of Paras before being handed over for TQ.
Sorry bad habit. I see that Von has answered the question sufficiently anyway.
You have to (with minimal information and no equipment other than some antiquated clothes) find several way-points without being captured by S&D teams, you have to do this for 3 days. Everyone does TQ whether they are captured or not and you must only answer with the name, rank, DOB and service number. Anything else must be answered with sorry I cannot answer that question. It is not meant to be a nice experience and it is physically as well as mentally difficult.
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This was a special man, no doubt about it. He deserves the peace I hope he has now found. Another solider off to join the big Regiment in the sky.
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I wonder what SBS selection is like compared to them ?
I can't imagine any less challenging physically and mentally. It made me think because a school mate of mine joined the RM in the early 90s and after a while he went for selection which he failed and openly admitted it wasn't for him despite him being a very strong bloke both physically and mentally.
I can't imagine any less challenging physically and mentally. It made me think because a school mate of mine joined the RM in the early 90s and after a while he went for selection which he failed and openly admitted it wasn't for him despite him being a very strong bloke both physically and mentally.
More swimming i'd imagine
which could possibly be more horrible.
But i'd guess that the sbs also do most of the air training the sas do and the sas do a lot of the boat training the SBS do.
there's also the SMS (mobility) isn't there who focus on vehicles and heavy weapons?
It is now the same selection process, with some very minor operational differences. At one time it was considered to be more difficult due to the amphibious nature of the E&E and the longer period of interrogation, which was even less pleasant, just think James Bond's chair experience in Casino Royale....
Having recently read the book task force black by mark urban, (about the sas in iraq from 2003-2008). The sas operators tended to look down on the sbs, often referring to them as a tier 2 sf unit, similair to how delta and seal team 6 class themselves as being above units such as the green berets and the other seal teams.
Obviously I'm saying this comfortably sitting in a chair at home, but surely if you know that it's just a test and they aren't really going to kill or seriously injure you, how can it be that difficult?
Which seems kind of strange as TF 88 is made up of various SF including elements of the SBS....TF Black is now a joint SAS/SBS unit. I wouldn't take too much notice of Mark Urbans take on banter or the jokes made over a rifle ending up in insurgents hands which they later recovered.
It all boils down to age old para/marine banter...
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People that apply also know this and still fail so I can only assume it's very hard. Not all the "torture" is physical. Mind games is where most people will fail I'd bet.