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Faith and knowledge of science and reality are not mutually exclusive.

Einstein was very religious.
Faith and knowledge of science are not mutually exclusive. You're right. However, faith and science are not compatible. This stupid comic sums up why:

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As stupid as the comic may be, it shows absolutely clearly why you cannot be a 'person of faith' in the common sense religious way, and be a supporter and proponent of scientific method.
 
Religion is harmless. People abusing positions of power is dangerous.

Harmless? what planet are you on? I wonder how many people have blown themselves up this year after shouting "god is great"

And how many have killed other people going "FOR ATHEISM!!!" zero is my guess.

Im not saying Religion is the be all and end all of evil, but harmless it certainly isn't.

So despite him worshipping a "cosmic man" (that's a quotation from Einstein himself, btw) that governed the laws of the universe and nature, he's not religious? Sorry he doesn't fit your bill of "religious" but he most certainly was religious.

Yes but quite different to conventional religion.

It was Einsteinian, he said: "I am deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a some what new kind of religion"

Steven Hawking isnt religious at all... yet at the end of 'A Brief History Of Time' he said "for then we should know the mind of god"

Scientists sometimes sound religious yet turn out not to be when looked at more closely.
 
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Harmless? what planet are you on? I wonder how many people have blown themselves up this year after shouting "god is great"

And how many have killed other people going "FOR ATHEISM!!!" zero is my guess.

Im not saying Religion is the be all and end all of evil, but harmless it certainly isn't.
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Do we include non secular terrorism and governments in that, or do they have to shout for atheism. Religion can be used to do bad things, just like many other aspects in life. It is not unique by any stretch of the imagination. It is down to people rather than "religion" especially as that word encompasses so many different beliefs and ideals.
 
**** me you believe all religious people fearless an a child should have sood befre malia's and soilers an face eah?

ok an my key has ie (he one between s an f)


maybe he wasn' even ha song in his faith hen.

he amn key is going oo (one beween r an y) wf is wrong wih my keyboar :/

people are weak an hey make mistakes, prey sure Christianity is big on forgiveness

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brb going o smash keyboar.

Being part of a group that killed, raped and tortured millions of soldiers, gypsies, disabled people and Jews is forgiveable?
 
Do we include non secular terrorism and governments in that, or do they have to shout for atheism. Religion can be used to do bad things, just like many other aspects in life. It is not unique by any stretch of the imagination. It is down to people rather than "religion" especially as that word encompasses so many different beliefs and ideals.
Have you even read the bible or the quran?

Not only are things like the rape of children a byproduct of an organised religion (vulnerable kids, abuse of position, etc), but the very teachings of most religions are evil or at the least negative How can you say that the wrongs don't come from religion? It is wilful ignorance.
 
Have you even read the bible or the quran?

Not only are things like the rape of children a byproduct of an organised religion (vulnerable kids, abuse of position, etc), but the very teachings of most religions are evil or at the least negative How can you say that the wrongs don't come from religion? It is wilful ignorance.
Well, speaking as somebody that has read most of the Qur'an, I feel fairly confident in saying that as long as monotheistic religion exists, we will never be free from the prospect of terror generated by it. The reason being that anybody, at any time, can find justification for horrendous acts of terror in their holy canons. The interpretations of Islam made by Al-Qaeda and the like, are not poor interpretations of the holy texts, and it's just ridiculous to claim otherwise.
 
Yes and no it really isn't a by product one sect has been doing it and you are saying it's inherit ant to all religions rofl.

Because the wrongs are evident in all walks of life and vert much come from humans and such things are totally incompatible with most if not all religions core beliefs.
 
Yes and no it really isn't a by product one sect has been doing it and you are saying it's inherit ant to all religions rofl.

Bcuase the wrongs are evident in all walks of life and vert much come from humans.
You missed my point. I mean not only is all that child rape stuff a byproduct of an organised religion (not the religion per se), the very religions actually teach cruel things too. However, you are saying that religions aren't evil, just the people are.

So I ask again, have you read the bible? You would have to be really socially and emotionally depraved to not think its teachings are in many parts pure evil and cruel.
 
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Him did you not read the Yes bit.

And what evil teachings do they have? Oh and remember not all religions believe in he'll or eternal punishment.
 
Do we include non secular terrorism and governments in that, or do they have to shout for atheism. Religion can be used to do bad things, just like many other aspects in life. It is not unique by any stretch of the imagination. It is down to people rather than "religion" especially as that word encompasses so many different beliefs and ideals.

The problem mostly that, for example Bush said a lot of stupid things in his time, but when he started to include religion into furthering his goals in the middleeast, frankly that is hardly painting a good picture.

The thing here is that "God" is painted everywhere in the US and when you use it in speeches and the likes, your support increases quite a chunk, even if it is for doing rather nasty things even when its quite obviously against the religions ideals in the first place, it just cries out the same thing that happened back when Europe split in half from the Catholic church at the time.

Whether people like it or not, humans focus on the bad things that others do and that paints an image, there may be a few nice Christians/Muslims/Jews but vast parts of the world are unfortunately uneducated and some what unintelligent.

The majority always ruins it for the minority, sometimes it changes but it never lasts, that's humanity (whether religion was involved or not, is not totally relevant).

I would go further into this, but silly people would only understand the bits they disliked, hide behind an illusionary wall of a book and attack me with nonsense.
 
A country where if you are successful in running a Church, you can amass a wealth in the billions, and people will still think you are a good Christian.

Though tbh.. religion has been exploited as a means of generating wealth for centuries - its not a new thing or just an American thing.

Historically senior Church figures over here were extremely wealthy:
Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Becket and Cardinal Thomas Wolsey would have been multi billionaires by today's standards.
 
Atheism is a cop out, they just avoid the issues with their worldview, even though they like to wave the banner of science over their camp. lol, how blind can atheists be?. They (atheists) often spout derogatory remarks at creation/religion and how "all religious faith is blind" and yet their science does not solely rest upon " seen evidence" atheism also requires "faith".

Creation/ Religion = Intelligent Design
Evolution/Atheism = Blind Mindless Processes

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In what way do they use science for their "faith"?
I wouldn't bother even asking the question. Anyone that says such a thing is merely trying to provoke, as a brief moment of contemplation should elucidate one, as to how fatuous such a statement is.

They try using science to prove a deity doesn't exist. Science is not designed for that, never was and it is a total abuse of science to use it in such a way.
And pray tell, what was science 'designed for', if not generating a superior understanding of the universe?
 
What are you on about.

Pretty sure hes on about the use of science (due to the use of the scientific method) adds credibility to ones argument, more so than from a book written and re written over thousands of years.

Thus the upper hand of an argument goes to said person, he/she thinks they have won and go off happily.
 
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