Dale Farm Cleared Tomorrow?

[Castiel]

Not entirely true. When you are 'caught' speeding somebody can and often does make an assessment of the situation and can decide not to charge you. If this were a public event played out on TV I am sure it would be enforced more strictly, but when it's more personal and intimate and flexibility is available, it's often overlooked. This discretion is available to and executed by the officer at the time.

Again the example doesn't help you at all. With regard to planning law, especially retrospective application of it the authority (this being the council) can also make an assessment of the situation, once that assessment and decision is made the defendant (in this case the Traveller community) have the right to appeal (sever times in fact) the decision and in this case they done so.

Once the final decision is made however, they, as you or I would equally be, are required to abide by that ruling. Why should they be allowed to flout the law simply because they are of a specific community?

They are as subject to the law as everyone else. If they do not agree with those laws then they need to engage with the society that makes those rules and like the rest of us contest them legally and democratically.

They are not above the law, and neither are you regardless of the nonsense ideology you may have.

 

[PMKeates]

Not exactly sure how staying in one place for 10 years is part of traveller culture...

I cannot prove that traveller culture is not able to stay in one place for a length of time. As it's happened, I can only assume it is possible, or it's some kind of modern traveller, the creation of which has probably been shaped by our constant efforts to evict them wherever they temporarily settle (whether just or not), hence them trying to buy some land and staying there.

If people choose a lifestyle that is unsustainable and is inextricably linked to sustained unlawful activity, that is their problem, and theirs alone. Does the fact that bank robberies continue taking place mean we should decriminalise theft?

I wonder what came first; the traveller lifestyle, or planning regulations?

Edit: I am probably going to stop posting soon, because I just don't have the time to keep conversation threads going with several different people at once! By the time I've posted I have 4 times as many replies to write.

 

[Al Vallario]

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[Pete19s]

I wonder where they will end up next... Looks over garden fence...

Look again......

shamelessly stolen from HERE

 

[yoyo50]

***** going down

 

[Mucky_Pup]

[John Motson Voice]

And here we are, and the whistle blows for what is promising to be a thrilling 90 minutes, these two teams have been waiting for this match for a long time.

[/John Motson Voice]

 

[Robbo]

Ah, how awesome would it be if those enforcement officers were armed.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

Ah, how awesome would it be if those enforcement officers were armed.

I think they need to be personally, with the threat of fires and gas canisters being thrown about.

 

[Glaucus]

We have so many problems with such evictions, ones it's been justified as legal and Al legal routes exhausted. Should effect a massive fence so people can't get in. Then remove people on by one with police force if needed and slap them with fines or community services, or more depending what they are doing.

 

[Robbo]

I think they need to be personally, with the threat of fires and gas canisters being thrown about.

They certainly need something more than a load of men in hard hats, they're obviously going to be met with violence. Surely a few armed police officers should be on standby, or at least riot police should be going in with them.

 

[Cosimo]

Ah, how awesome would it be if those enforcement officers were armed.

Why, would you like them to start gunning down people or just stand around looking tough?

 

[Glaucus]

Just need some tracked bulldozers. Just plough through the fencing and buildings.

 

[Cosimo]

Just need some tracked bulldozers. Just plough through the fencing and buildings.

That's the way to do it. Get in the way at your peril.

 

[shoes]

So when does the action start, or are the papers just slow at reporting?

 

[Sharlaw]

They certainly need something more than a load of men in hard hats, they're obviously going to be met with violence. Surely a few armed police officers should be on standby, or at least riot police should be going in with them.

The problem is once the police raise the game and go in armed. The people resisting will start doing the same. Going in armed sends the wrong message and would most likely end up causing far more problems.

 

[Al Vallario]

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[Mucky_Pup]

So when does the action start, or are the papers just slow at reporting?

It's like a cricket match I think, I think bad light is effecting play. Don't think they're going to have the time today to get the innings in, might be postponed till tomorrow.

 

[Danthus]

They have balloons full of paint, bins full of rocks and they are threatening to set fire to gas cylinders.

Let it burn, job done.

 

[Mucky_Pup]

The problem is once the police raise the game and go in armed. The people resisting will start doing the same. Going in armed sends the wrong message and would most likely end up causing far more problems.

They're already armed, skynews have just showed a pile of rocks and bricks they're preparing to use, and talked about them moving calor gas canisters to the front gate. Hopefully they'll set them alight when the retards are still strapped to the gates, and blow up a few of their comrades, and hopefully the people doing their legal duty of trying to remove them aren't injured.