This is exactly why the death penalty is a bad thing...

Of course it's linked to death penalty. Very few cases have 100% assurance of guilty. Death penalty is final.

Theres been many many cases that have convicted and overturned decades later. Trials just don't give enough accurac py and that is why they are linked.

Yes the legal system is stupid, but death penalty also means that can't be rectified..
 
22 years in the making, i fail to see why you would carry out a death sentence 22 years later.
I know 22 years ago in NornIron the police were not remotely trustable if one was the wrong 'colour'.
I am prodeath penalty, but if you are going to pass sentence, then it should be enforced immediately, not await 22 years of court appeals rubbish and gubbins.
 
I'm not getting into a philosophical debate over the death penalty.

This has nothing to do with it. The real issue here is how woeful the US justice system obviously is if there is no physical evidence, lab reports are now considered to have been made up/wrong and witnesses have admitted to being pressured into it. There is a place for a death penalty but whether you agree with that sentiment or not, the man clearly doesn't even have enough evidence against him to justify being imprisoned never mind executed.


That's the thing though every system breaks eventually the key is limiting the damage that occurs when it inevitably does.
 
22 years in the making, i fail to see why you would carry out a death sentence 22 years later.
I know 22 years ago in NornIron the police were not remotely trustable if one was the wrong 'colour'.
I am prodeath penalty, but if you are going to pass sentence, then it should be enforced immediately, not await 22 years of court appeals rubbish and gubbins.

because remember those people who were falsely imprisoned in britian for what was it 15-30 od years then finally let out when it was revealed by DNA later.


you cannot be sure new evidence will not come to light many years later, so you must put a huge delay in with many very expensive appeals.


otherwise you may as well **** the whole thing off and just let the police shoot people who they think look shifty.


unless you maybe said any case that resulted in a death sentence which was later found to be wrong resulted in the prosecutor the jury, the judge and the investigating officers convicted of murder.
 
Only idiots truly support the death penalty. Fact.

I know plenty of people that support it who certainly aren't idiots.

I'm sort of on the fence, it should only be given out when there is 100% certainty the person is guilty. Witness testimony alone shouldn't count towards that, as it is never truly reliable.
 
Do the pro-death penalty people realise it costs far more money to successfully execute a person than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives?

I'm against the death penatly on a moral ground, but putting that aside it doesn't even make sense economically!
 
Do the pro-death penalty people realise it costs far more money to successfully execute a person than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives?

I'm against the death penatly on a moral ground, but putting that aside it doesn't even make sense economically!

Surely you could make it cheaper though. Gather up 10 people on death row and gas them all at once, something like that perhaps?
 
Do the pro-death penalty people realise it costs far more money to successfully execute a person than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives?

I'm against the death penatly on a moral ground, but putting that aside it doesn't even make sense economically!

usually the pro death penalty people are of the "**** it lets ditch all the fail safes, and rigours of doing it properly and just shoot anyone convicted the first time round".
 
I am completely against the death penalty for a load of different reasons, I won't bother to list them all. But one that sticks out here is that it could only even begin to be justifiable in a system, that would have to be so efficient, precise and perfect that it could never possibly exist.

There was quite a disturbing article on the Lone Star state's record on the death penalty, on Slate:

http://www.slate.com/id/2303922/
 
because remember those people who were falsely imprisoned in britian for what was it 15-30 od years then finally let out when it was revealed by DNA later.
unless you maybe said any case that resulted in a death sentence which was later found to be wrong resulted in the prosecutor the jury, the judge and the investigating officers convicted of murder.

I disagree, a state should never have a punishment, that it cant enact immediately, if the person might not be guilty their justice system should enable this to remove the sentence.
I actually find it disgusting you would sentence someone to death, then make them wait twenty two years to finally carry out sentence. I feel that is torture, especially waving a carrot of hope in front of them.

If this case is true, and there is a bit of hearsay evidence and witnesses who have all withdrew their statements, then the state executes the guy, would he not have been better off killed 22 years ago.

As i said i am pro death sentence in certain circumstances, in te same way as i am pro castration in certain sex abuse situations, although others I would apply the death penalty.
Father Brendan Smith/smyth I'd have shot him and been done with it, and plenty more like him, there was no possibility of that being an incorrect or wrong decision, and for the bleeding hearts who would suggest he had a mental illness of compulsion to do such things, I'd say they've missed my point. My way he doean't do it again, ever, to anyone. Better than a million years worth of councelling.
 
So you're saying that no justice system can ever sentence anyone to anything as without appeals there's is no way to be certain or new evidence to be brought and so the system cannot be trusted?
 
Do the pro-death penalty people realise it costs far more money to successfully execute a person than keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives?

I'm against the death penatly on a moral ground, but putting that aside it doesn't even make sense economically!

It costs that in the USA, doesn't cost more in China ;)
You are costing it using a very flawed US system.
A rapist today sucesfully stopped his deportation under article 8, he claimed he would lose the social connections he had built up in the UK since arriving if he was deported.
His legal aid, and the case and the trail no doubt cost more than I earn in a year, yet it is his human rights.
 
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