"alcohol is at least twice as harmful to users than cannabis and 5 times more harmful to society"

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Taken together we estimate that alcohol is at least twice as harmful to users than cannabis and 5 times more harmful to society. The obvious conclusion is that the current legislation criminalising cannabis users is illogical as well as inhumane and may be causing much more harm than it does good. Time for a rational intervention Mr Cameron?
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https://profdavidnutt.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/popular-intoxicants-%e2%80%93-how-do-alcohol-and-cannabis-compare/

It's an interesting read, why do we still have this legislation?
I find it really weird that a drug that causes a lot of damage to society is still socially acceptable but a drug that causes much less damage is on the wrong side of the law and is criticised heavily?

Is anyone else tired of this war about this pointless legislation? I am not advocating legalising heavy drugs but I feel that this legislation is doing nothing but putting people in prison for a crime that is not causing any damage whatsoever.
 
RDM said:
Good argument for banning alcohol then? :)
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That'll never happen given the amount of tax our government makes of it!

A friend of mine who is a habitual cannabis smoker once told me the only dangerous thing in the joint he was smoking was the tobacco - perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong with that?

On topic - another friend who is a police officer has said on more than one occasion he would rather see youngsters smoking a few joints and chilling on a Fri, Sat night as opposed to getting completely smashed on cheap alcohol then causing trouble and getting into fights. Says it all really!
 
The legality of alcohol is an inherited situation and it is impractical if not impossible to change it. Any government that made it illegal would be unlikely to win the next election and in any case it couldn't be enforced without a lot of money and a lot of intrusion. Modern technology and a smaller country might well make outlawing alcohol less harmful than Prohibition was in the USA, but it would require a lot of social change before any government would even consider it.
 
Sonea Fifer said:
That'll never happen given the amount of tax our government makes of it!

A friend of mine who is a habitual cannabis smoker once told me the only dangerous thing in the joint he was smoking was the tobacco - perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong with that?

On topic - another friend who is a police officer has said on more than one occasion he would rather see youngsters smoking a few joints and chilling on a Fri, Sat night as opposed to getting completely smashed on cheap alcohol then causing trouble and getting into fights. Says it all really!
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pretty sure he is right, all my years of smoking cannabis has only ever bought on severe cases of talking absolute rubbish and a bad case of laughter and munchies lol hardly criminal :p
 
Both are social drugs. It's just people don't know how to control themselves.
Alcohol and cannabis are in two different ball parks but both equally damage people over time.
 
You can't really casually smoke weed tho, you can casually drink alcohol in moderation - the high (never sure why its called a high with canabis) with canabis is much more of an on/off thing for want of a better way to describe it.
 
ahhhh David Nutt, now i remember, he sat on the Advisory council regarding misuse of drugs, but was expelled from the position because of his campaigning against the goverments drugs policy regarding namely Cannabis
 
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They "estimate".

It's all well and good saying these things, but one pint of beer won't 'get you high' and make you potentially dangerous, one 'spliff' could very well do that (and I've seen it happen first hand).

It's a massively flawed argument and thankfully, this stuff won't ever be legal regardless of how many drug users complain about it.
 
Robbo said:
They "estimate".

It's all well and good saying these things, but one pint of beer won't 'get you high' and make you potentially dangerous, one 'spliff' could very well do that (and I've seen it happen first hand).

It's a massively flawed argument and thankfully, this stuff won't ever be legal regardless of how many drug users complain about it.
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You make this miscalculation thinking that the research would not show this. In fact it would be the opposite, if it was the case wouldn't you expect the number of violent crimes done by cannabis users per capita to be much higher than the alcohol cases? Which I guess is what the "5 times more harmful to soceity" comes from.
 
Sonea Fifer said:
A friend of mine who is a habitual cannabis smoker once told me the only dangerous thing in the joint he was smoking was the tobacco - perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong with that?
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In this instance, take the tobacco out of the equation and the smoker would be the most dangerous substance (ie misinformed), cannabis is not a panacea, it is not free from harm, even if it doesn't do long term physical damage it will still affect your being, even very slightly, ranging from general apathy to downright reclusiveness and psychological addiction.

Any drug is only as safe as the person using it.

And this is from someone who would love to see cannabis legalised.
 
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