what do you think happened to meredith Kercher

[Uriel]

Dunno - from what I've read of the case I don't think Knox or her ex would have been convicted in the UK or US. Unsafe conviction I think.

I stand by what I said when discussing this earlier (as per quote). Very glad that Solleceto and Knox were cleared of murder.

If they had any involvement the police and prosecutors were so astoundingly incompetent as to practically erase any trace of them. I think it's more likely that they had no direct involvement and was amazed when they were first convicted. I tend to think that a criminal conviction should always be in the absence of reasonable doubt. There was always reasonable doubt here.

I absolutely agree with Knox's conviction for slander but think she can claim mitigating circumstances.

There is a triple injustice related to this case. One is that an apparrently innocent man spent four years in jail. Another seems to be that Knox seems to have been subjected to an interrogation that broke her and left her accusing another innocent man. That the one person who was certainly involved in the killing has had their sentence cut to a measly 16 years is completely disgraceful.

I will be very disappointed if the police investigators and prosecutor are not disciplined in some way.

If I were Meredith's family I would want to know the truth. Guede can shed light on what really happened. The trouble is that separating truth from lies will always be difficult with him.

 

[compboyo]

I thought of a really sick joke:

Meredith Ketchup


(cause she was covered all over and her room in blood)

my bad

funny or not?

 

[Robbo]

funny or not?

No.

 

[Morgoth]

It's not funny. There's no actual punchline that contains wit.

 

[compboyo]

It's not funny. There's no actual punchline that contains wit.

I replaced her surname ketcher with Ketchup......like jan ***** remeber she was murdered. Jill Dando but everyone called her jan ***** for a laugh

 

[Morgoth]

oh yeah sorry good one

 

[muon]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/28/meredith-kercher-guede-knox-sollecito

Rudy Guede was sentenced to 30 years for the murder at which point he said Knox wasn't in the house. Then he gave evidence for the prosecution and his story suddenly changed, implicating Knox and Sollecito - and his sentence was cut to 16 years Go figure.

Knox's story changed more times than his. But we won't roll our eyes at that.

 

[gambitt]

Knox's story changed more times than his. But we won't roll our eyes at that.

You mean when she was questioned (allegedly in a rough manner) for 14 hours by incompetent police into the early hours of the morning while being refused access to a translator or solicitor? Yes, let's gloss over that...

 

[Raymond Lin]

Everybody lies (they will say anything to get out of trouble), and everybody will say they are innocent but what I know from the news is that:-

Rudy Guede's DNA was all over Meredith Kercher's room.

Amanda Knox's DNA was not found in Meredith Kercher's room.

Enough said surely ?

 

[dowie]

You mean when she was questioned (allegedly in a rough manner) for 14 hours by incompetent police into the early hours of the morning while being refused access to a translator or solicitor? Yes, let's gloss over that...

No real excuse for slander/falsely accusing an innocent person tbh... which she did and still remains convicted of and not exactly something an 'innocent' person would do.

She probably did have some involvement in it but tbh.. there isn't sufficient evidence for a conviction to be safe.

Italian police seem to have botched this one re: the DNA evidence, this apparent questioning without a lawyer present...

 

[Uriel]

Everybody lies (they will say anything to get to of trouble), and everybody will say they are innocent but what I know from the news is that:-

Rudy Guede's DNA was all over Meredith Kercher's room.

Amanda Knox's DNA was not found in Meredith Kercher's room.

Enough said surely ?

And as far as I can tell - no legitimate trace of Sollecito's DNA was found in the house. No murder weapon was found. Every trace of Knox's DNA or blood was pretty explainable given that she lived there.

Utter chuffing clusterchuff of a chuffing chuffwitted investigation.

Can Guede's sentence be increased at the highest court level or has that opportunity passed?

Mignini's due a 16 month sentence for abuse of his position. By my recknoning it wants increasing to 8+ years for stealing a good deal of two people's lives and leaving a grieving family with very few answers.

 

[gambitt]

I find it odd that you haven't made the connection in your own post...

this apparent questioning without a lawyer present...

could easily lead to:

No real excuse for slander/falsely accusing an innocent person tbh...

A 20 year old girl, deprived of sleep and being grilled by police in a foreign country BY HERSELF for 14 hours in a language she only had a basic grasp of (at the time). I don't think people understand the significance of that scenario. It wouldn't be the first time an innocent person has been persuaded to make a false statement.

Even if they didn't botch that tiny piece of DNA evidence, their reason for her motive of a "sex game" still makes no sense because her DNA would be all over the place... like Guede's was.

 

[muon]

You mean when she was questioned (allegedly in a rough manner) for 14 hours by incompetent police into the early hours of the morning while being refused access to a translator or solicitor? Yes, let's gloss over that...

Actually her story also changed several times beyond the initial questioning regarding the barman.

Also why doesn't Rudy get to use a police brutality defence which could have left him confused?

I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy when looking at the defendants.

 

[gambitt]

Actually her story also changed several times beyond the initial questioning regarding the barman.

Please elaborate. Or are you referring to a few things like not remembering the exact time she smoked weed and had sex with her boyfriend? I can't recall all the irrelevant details.

 

[dowie]

A 20 year old girl, deprived of sleep and being grilled by police in a foreign country BY HERSELF for 14 hours in a language she only had a basic grasp of (at the time). I don't think people understand the significance of that scenario. It wouldn't be the first time an innocent person has been persuaded to make a false statement.

She stuck with it too in the morning in a written statement and he was only released after 2 weeks because a swiss business man happened to see a news story re: the case and came forward to say he'd been with him that evening. What sort of innocent person does that?

She then changed her story which the b/f didn't back up initially... and then did...

Also the small matter of the staged break in at the home...

Its all pretty dubious but also mostly circumstantial - she probably did do it but there isn't really sufficient evidence for a conviction..

 

[muon]

Please elaborate. Or are you referring to a few things like not remembering the exact time she smoked weed and had sex with her boyfriend? I can't recall all the irrelevant details.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/nov/12/italy.ukcrime

She even accused her boyfriend of being at the house at one point and then withdrew it. Give me a minute to find that.

 

[gambitt]

I think it's possible they know something that they are not letting on to because the prosecutors would shine the worlds biggest spotlight on it, twist it and blame them for the whole thing. But I don't think they were actively involved. Lack of DNA evidence says so.

 

[compboyo]

so what do you think are the possible real reason the murder happened.

1. Rudi the black guy goes to rape Meredith she resits her threatens her then kills her alone.

2. Amanda et al wants a gangbang orgy and Meredith is not up for it so they try to rape her and threaten her with knife, high on drugs they end up killing her. They try to cover up evidence. Perhaps only Rudi killed her but all were involved in the sex game.

3. Amanda out of jealousy and hate wants to see Mereidth raped by her freinds she resists, they threaten her and high on drugs they end up killing her.


Other realistic possibilites?

 

[muon]

I think it's possible they know something that they are not letting on to because the prosecutors would shine the worlds biggest spotlight on it, twist it and blame them for the whole thing. But I don't think they were actively involved. Lack of DNA evidence says so.

They should go to jail just for that.

Lack of dna evidence doesn't prove anything imo, unless its impossible that dna evidence (which couldn't be explained by being a flatmate) couldn't be removed.

It'd be like saying X is definitely the thief because no fingerprints were left. As long as there are ways round that, the possibility remains. Combine that with the circumstantial evidence, and I would consider the suspects the most likely culprits (although you aren't able to convict).

 

[gambitt]

They should go to jail just for that.

Lack of dna evidence doesn't prove anything imo, unless its impossible that dna evidence (which couldn't be explained by being a flatmate) couldn't be removed.

Why should they? I said possible. It's not definite and it cannot be proved without witnesses or other meaningful evidence.

One possibility (please note this time: possible) is that they were witnesses to the murder but were threatened by Guede (and a possible accomplice) and were in fear of their lives. The point is, you can't convict someone based on conjecture, or because they act a bit odd.

The prosecution put forward a case of "the sex game gone wrong" scenario - that was disproved, therefore the defence wins.