Water or Phase..

OC_A64 said:
Wouldn't worry too much mate. For a few quid (depending on who you goto) you should be able to get any problems sorted long after the official warranty has expired. The price you paid for that unit was great tbh, performance (assuming the probe reads correctly) is well up there for 1/2 the price. Even _if_ things do go **** up the money you saved should cover the repairs no problem (depending where you look)

Not wanting to thread crap, but can certainly vouch for Gray Mole. Had 4 units off him now (regassed/modded Mach1, modded vapo PE, Modded/regassed/Chilly1 head Mach1 ~ -58 evap no load, and now a Waterchiller - ~ -20 @ 0w, 0 deg @ 325w) and all are built to great quality. My focus is more on performance rather than looks, which Gray caters for nicely. All the units are damn cold and the service is awsome :)
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Thanks OC_A64,thats made me feel better about it altogether :) As you say at the end of the day I can still go to 1 of the top chaps to get it serviced and repaired for a few quid so its not a great loss.

I've briefly had a chat with Gray Mole and he seems a Top chap! I think from now on I will take my Phase needs straight to him :)

Thanks all.
 
philstanbridge said:
Edited: I don't need to justify myself, especially on someone else's forum.
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You don't need to justify yourself?
When weescott said "Mine come with a warranty back up though", you said "You'll need it." Knowing full well that Ian Parry(pazza316)made the unit.

When Sipha said "I think its still under warranty with Ian Parry the original builder, for about another year.Tbh, if theres somthing I should know about any of the units going around out there at the mo that is bad I'd like to know it really...". You said

"Generally, you get what you pay for. You can pay £250 for a custom unit from certain auction sites, and take it is as - sold as seen. Or you can pay upwards of £500 for a unit put together by professional engineers, with qualifications that mean they can LEGALLY do the work in the UK, with a warranty and professional support. It's the risk you take. I don't think people realise, but you have to be legally qualified to work with refrigerants. If you're not qualified you're breaking the law."

The inference from those statements is that Ian's work needs a warranty more than yours or Gray's. Also that Ian is'nt qualified to work with refrigerants, which you refused to answer when i asked you directly.
Also the reference you made to 6 units that had come to yourself and Gray Mole, was as if these were Ian's units as well.

So Phill, don't sit there playing god to protect you market share rubbishing other people while pretending that your not pointing any fingers at anybody.
And just for the record, How many of your units have come back to you within the last month or so with something wrong with them?
 
seems as though things are getting alittle heated in here :p

i dont see how he was saying "ians" work was bad he said the guys from that internet auction site etc.. and though some of the units may be good you don't know what you will get unless its a reputable seller..even so its a gamble that pays of sometimes and others not.

luck of the draw, and depends if your willing to take a chance. :)
 
I've said it once and I'll say it again - you get what you pay for. I'm not commenting on any one person in particular. All I will say is that between myself and Gray Mole (he is one of the engineers sub-contracting for me by the way) we've had 6 units back in a month, all from the same place.

There is a BIG difference between someone doing it "on the side" via ebay, and someone trying to make a living doing it.

I've had three RMA's in 4 years - all repaired, for what it's worth.
 
philstanbridge said:
I've said it once and I'll say it again - you get what you pay for. I'm not commenting on any one person in particular. All I will say is that between myself and Gray Mole (he is one of the engineers sub-contracting for me by the way) we've had 6 units back in a month, all from the same place.

There is a BIG difference between someone doing it "on the side" via ebay, and someone trying to make a living doing it.

I've had three RMA's in 4 years - all repaired, for what it's worth.
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tiresome... and a tad desperate tbh.
 
ArchAnGeL said:
I meant the one that was going to cover the hard drives.

I take it you are talking about the radiator mount. I didn't have any issues with the clearance of the bolts on the standard mach head (better picture below). Not sure if the bolts of the new mounting will cause problems though.


I have the fan connected directly to the rear of the case then the rad but large screws which just reach through the rad from the back of the case. I am actually considering mounting a 120.2 rad in the top of the case and adding northbridge water cooling. Then using that rear hole to suck more fresh air into the case.
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Oh sorry, im with ya. Yeah I was talking about the rad shroud. The bay cover still isn't on and finished. Im going to have to modify it quite a bit, as all the tolerances were too tight and it was tricky to fit without knocking out sata cables. Im going to shorten it and make some holes bigger etc.
 
philstanbridge said:
Good good glad to hear it. :rolleyes: Can we get back on topic now?
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its about time your heard it!

its a bit rich to hear you asking to get back on topic when you waded in here with posts that were nothing to do with the OPs question which was more broadly about phase vs water with yet another thinly veiled advert where you big up yourself and your "engineer" who doubtless do good work but charge the earth for it by taking a swipe at "part timers" making out their warranties are shoddy and their work is perhaps even dangerous.

here, I have some spare grip.. I'll lend you some if you can't get any yourself!

oh yeah, have one of these back too :rolleyes:
 
consider me calmed..

@ the OP, much like easy said once you have a phase itch you'll never be happy until you've scratched it.. there are a couple of considerations though

1) if you go for water first you're more likely in my opinion to get the experience neccessary to avoid trashing any of your hardware when you go for phase, plus get some experience clocking with cooler temps so you can really let rip with phase

2) if you do go for water first you might well find (as I did) that phase is too noisy for those last 2 or 300mhz (ok sometimes more but often not).

I wouldn't have any issues (as you might have noticed) with going with some of the newer phase builders, the work I have seen has been excellent so there's no need for it to cost you megabucks.

The last phase unit I had was a professionally modded chilly1 mach2 gt which held my X2 3800 well under 0 at full load at over 3ghz and cost me £450. One great thing about phase is it holds its value, I sold mine on about 4 months after I got it (noise tbh) for about the same as I paid for it.

Final thing to say is if you go for water you can add in your gfx and if you want your nb/sb/ram/harddrives.. the killer is the gfx which often responds well to a bit of water and definitely will STFU which is always a bonus as stock gfx coolers are often very noisy.

A good compromise is often phase and water like I had with my last phase excursion but I'd say it's more for the experienced builder, ie if I hadn't done water before I don't know how I would have got on with doing phase AND water together.
 
messiah khan said:
I got on alright. :D
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you're hardly what I'd call an inexperienced builder..

ok, I'll rephrase.. if you haven't done it before and if you don't have the skills necessary to build an android/pc hybrid thingy you might have trouble :D

ok now? ;)
 
I take your point on the building. I did my water and phase at the same time and it was the first major modding I had done. The water was pretty easy (although that's mostly due to the v2000) but installing a phase unit in a different case is hard work and very time consuming. I managed fine but it's not as neat as I would've ideally liked. I also ended up spending a considerable amount on tools and materials.

Next step, once I get my phase unit back from an upgrade, is likely to be a dual/triple rad in the roof and adding nb watercooling.
 
weescott said:
I just got my mach 2GT modded by Ian delivered today:

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DSHC
SLHX
Chilly1
Regas to R402a

Mine come with a warranty back up though :D

Yet to test it.
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Would you believe me if I said I have that unit right now....A mere 3 feet away from me...
 
almighty15 said:
I have a little but been after the original owner as I've heard very naughty things about the guy who modified it. One example is soft soldering all the joints instead of brazing them properly.
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Hmm, not good, only come across one refrigeration system which had some soft solder joints, this was running R22.
 
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Here she is as over 3 hours ago

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Stripped her down ready for a good clean up, New insulation, Cable braided and have EVERYTHING spray black..

I moved the temp probe to the end of the evap a few days ago as it's original position was giving ******** readings.

Was saying -80c on the display which is pure rubbish.
 
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