Poll: Rebels rolling into Tripoli

Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 291 49.7%

  • No

    Votes: 294 50.3%
  • Total voters
    585
AcidHell2 said:
Well your post implied that deals were bad, but not as bad as handshakes.
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It did? It certainly was not intended. As I said, the deals are irrelevent to the morallity of shaking a murderers hand in my mind.

AcidHell2 said:
International criminal makes no difference. He still had power. We still needed to negotiate and deal with. Hence you give a handshake. It's no buggy and just how business and politics works.
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You see I think it does, we have a moral obligation that should be interwoven into everything the state does particularly in relation to those facing accusions of crimes against humanity.

We did not have to negotiate or deal with him. They chose too. If anything we had a responsibility to not prop his tyrannical rule. The West may undertake business with states and criminals in a hypocritical manner, it does not make it correct or moral for doing so in the first place.

"It's just business". I can't argue against that, but it's still wrong in terms of moral application I firmly believe.
 
Morality ? I would rather deal with them and give handshakes. To save lives and try and turn events around and improve the world. That is a far bigger moral responsibility than denying a handshake that at the end of the day means nothing.
Go for the small moral and ignore the huge moral situation.
Or forgo the small moral ground to look at the bigger picture.
 
I note with interest that the inward poll when the action started showed the country ALA OcUK split near equally.

Upon his death, very little appears to have changed.

This country cannot continue ad infinitum with warring that clearly splits the views of the nation. I think the public harmony will be disturbed long before our international pretentions are. Sadly.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Morality ? I would rather deal with them and give handshakes. To save lives and try and turn events around and improve the world. That is a far bigger moral responsibility than denying a handshake that at the end of the day means nothing.
Go for the small moral and ignore the huge moral situation.
Or forgo the small moral ground to look at the bigger picture.
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I don't think fiscal support and otherwise towards dictators really improves the situation for the majority of those under that shadow of rule.

It might benefit us, but then that makes it even more immoral. 'Tis a bit circular you see.
 
[TW]Fox;20357853 said:
David Cameron gives free education and we all have water, I dont think 95% of people love him.

I'm hardly suprised you are defending him though :D You seemed to love him.
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we dont get free education its paid for with taxes most people in libya earn bugger all and dont pay taxes but still got education...
im suprised you didnt come out with your old "then why dont you go live there" nugget of wisdom.

also women were pretty much equals where as now they will be required to wear burkhas , wont be allowed out in public without someone escorting them , wont have any rights at all etc

ALU AKHABAR! MY FRIEND THE MUSLIMS ARE HERE
 
Having seen the videos of his last moments I can't see justification for his end. An awful way to die, perhaps karma playing its part but inhumane to the extreme.
 
arknor said:
also women were pretty much equals where as now they will be required to wear burkhas , wont be allowed out in public without someone escorting them , wont have any rights at all etc
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You know all this is going to happen now for a fact, do you?

Not many muslim countries only allow women out with somebody escorting them you know. Infact its a small minority of muslims who do this?

You are just spouting generalised assumptive rubbish. You've no idea what they'll do. I very much doubt it'll be like Saudi Arabia. Not all Muslim countries are the same! You are being very narrow minded by assuming they are.

Don't see many Turkish women being legally prevented from leaving without an escort, do you?
 
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[TW]Fox;20358189 said:
You know all this is going to happen now for a fact, do you?

Not many muslim countries only allow women out with somebody escorting them you know. Infact its a small minority of muslims who do this?
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theyve been talking about sharia law already... , radical muslims have already been attacking mosques of other muslim sects ;) check the sky news blogs

NTC has had almost no control over the rebel army most of it will fall away back to their lives and guess whos going to take over it wotn be the nice guys
 
arknor said:
theyve been talking about sharia law already... , radical muslims have already been attacking mosques of other muslim sects ;) check the sky news blogs
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Ah, so because radical muslims have attacked stuff, thats that is it?

Same as the UK then, radical muslims have attacked stuff here as well you know. Shariah law tommorrow then, eh.
 
That video, he was alive, why was he not given medical attention and granted the rights of a POW.

Shooting him, is that not a war crime?
 
Gaddafi was never going to see the inside of a courtroom, that much is certain.

Shame really as he may have had answers for the Lockerbie murders and the murder of Yvonne Fletcher and could have provided some closure.
 
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