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[In]formal proof of the limitation of 1.5GB VRAM at 1920x1200 resolution

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Cleeecooo said:
Ok, so in some games you have to turn down the eye candy a little. Anyone here give a ****?



What's the point of spending £200 extra on cards for something you can't see other than on a graph. if it looks smooth, then, again, who gives a ****?
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Because.. (And this is the favorite line here lol): "It's subjective" ;) but using it in an insulting way...

(completely agree with you btw cleeecooooooooooo).

I do agree about the results with RAGE for example... I'd be miffed I paid all that money not to play at top settings.
 
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Cleeecooo said:
Ok, so in some games you have to turn down the eye candy a little. Anyone here give a ****?



What's the point of spending £200 extra on cards for something you can't see other than on a graph. if it looks smooth, then, again, who gives a ****?
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Some people are satisfied with 30 fps (e.g. bhavv is satisfied with his GTX560 Ti 1GB SLI in Metro 2033 max'ed), while some people are not satisfied with sub-60 fps (e.g. I'm not satisfied with GTX580 2-way SLI in The Witcher 2 with Ubersampling).

Lag spikes / stuttering is something that some people can notice and feel, while some people cannot. Without quantitative analysis how would you justify which is more smooth? e.g. is my GTX580 2-way SLI slower than bhavv's GTX560 Ti 1GB SLI?
 
Scougar said:
Because.. (And this is the favorite line here lol): "It's subjective" ;) but using it in an insulting way...

(completely agree with you btw cleeecooooooooooo).

I do agree about the results with RAGE for example... I'd be miffed I paid all that money not to play at top settings.
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:D:p

harmony said:
Some people are satisfied with 30 fps (e.g. bhavv is satisfied with his GTX560 Ti 1GB SLI in Metro 2033 max'ed), while some people are not satisfied with sub-60 fps (e.g. I'm not satisfied with GTX580 2-way SLI in The Witcher 2 with Ubersampling).

Lag spikes / stuttering is something that some people can notice and feel, while some people cannot. Without quantitative analysis how would you justify which is more smooth? e.g. is my GTX580 2-way SLI slower than bhavv's GTX560 Ti 1GB SLI?
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Turn ubersampling off and save money?
 
harmony said:
This is then off-topic. This thread is about what happens when you run out of vram, not about if someone should save money or not.
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Yes, but you won't run out of VRAm if you're sensible.
You recommend people who maybe don't know everything about gfx cards to get a less powerful GPU so that they may be free of lag spikes they probably won't even see, based on evidence from this threads and other things that, in a real world scenario, don't make a difference.

Yes, you may run out of VRAM in the most challenging games at full settings. But you won't if you turn BS like ubersampling off!
 
I do feel threads like this can misguide buyers into thinking that a card won't be 'good enough' and they end up spending more than necessary. I just think that you have to be careful with the way you word things in analysis threads, and the topic title is not helping.

You can see it spreading round the forums with people now saying this and that card don't have enough memory etc, even before you know what resolution those people play at for example.

I like what you are doing harmony, just please don't go making grand statements and sweeping assumptions about what people will and won't be happy with (like 30fps etc).
 
Scougar said:
I do feel threads like this can misguide buyers into thinking that a card won't be 'good enough' and they end up spending more than necessary. I just think that you have to be careful with the way you word things in analysis threads, and the topic title is not helping.

You can see it spreading round the forums with people now saying this and that card don't have enough memory etc, even before you know what resolution those people play at for example.

I like what you are doing harmony, just please don't go making grand statements and sweeping assumptions about what people will and won't be happy with (like 30fps etc).
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Agreed

30FPS is failry reasonable aswell !
 
Cleeecooo said:
Yes, but you won't run out of VRAm if you're sensible.
You recommend people who maybe don't know everything about gfx cards to get a less powerful GPU so that they may be free of lag spikes they probably won't even see, based on evidence from this threads and other things that, in a real world scenario, don't make a difference.

Yes, you may run out of VRAM in the most challenging games at full settings. But you won't if you turn BS like ubersampling off!
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When did I recommend people to buy a less powerful GPU for more vram? If you are talking about the GTX570 vs HD6950 then these are quite similar in terms of GPU power. The average framerate difference is probably even less noticeable than the lag spikes caused by vram shortage if put into SLI/CF.

I make reasonable recommendations because I've witnessed the fate of 8800 GS 384MB and 8800 GTS 320MB.
 
How can you use RAGE as a subjective test between systems/graphic cards? you cant.

Your testing and conclusion is flawed heavily.

Even with the latest oct8th patch and config.txt adjustments the built-in auto balancer still messes with the settings on a per PC usage, theres just not enough control possible through tweaking to make it an apples-to-apples comparision.
 
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harmony said:
When did I recommend people to buy a less powerful GPU for more vram? If you are talking about the GTX570 vs HD6950 then these are quite similar in terms of GPU power. The average framerate difference is probably even less noticeable than the lag spikes caused by vram shortage if put into SLI/CF.

I make reasonable recommendations because I've witnessed the fate of 8800 GS 384MB and 8800 GTS 320MB.
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I said that as an example. I regularly see you saying things along the lines of "it's not a good idea to use two 1gb card"

And 570 vs 6950 - 570 wins hands down @ 1080p.
670 vs 6970 - debatable
560Ti vs 6950, again, highly debatable.

Heirarchy - (different colour signifies next level)

570
6970
560Ti
6950
560
6870
 
Cleeecooo said:
I said that as an example. I regularly see you saying things along the lines of "it's not a good idea to use two 1gb card"

And 570 vs 6950 - 570 wins hands down @ 1080p.
670 vs 6970 - debatable
560Ti vs 6950, again, highly debatable.

Heirarchy - (different colour signifies next level)

570
6970
560Ti
6950
560
6870
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Your hierarchy is biased towards NVIDIA. I could always find games like this:

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As a current user of NVIDIA top-end cards in SLI, I can tell that NVIDIA still loses in games like Dragon Age 2, Shogun 2 etc, that is the problem of real smoothness and stuttering, not just average framerates.

The correct hierarchy in terms of GPU power (in single GPU setup) is:

6990
590
580
6970
570
6950
560 Ti
6870

"Surprisingly" w1zzard agrees with me:

No hotlinking!

For multi-GPU setup, simply because vram does not stack up while GPU power goes up, I would recommend in the following order:

6950 2GB CF (best value)
570 2.5GB SLI (better performance with good value)
580 3GB SLI (best performance but poor value)
580 1.5GB SLI (poor value and less futureproof)
570 1.25GB SLI (not recommended since early of this year)
any 1GB cards in SLI/CF (not recommended since last year)
 
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The hierarchy isn't biased to nVidia at all. Where the **** did you get that from???:confused::mad:

For multi-GPU setup, simply because vram does not stack up while GPU power goes up, I would recommend in the following order:

6950 2GB CF (best value) +1 (along with 2GB 560Ti's
580 3GB SLI (best performance but poor value) fair enough
580 1.5GB SLI (poor value and less futureproof)these are futureproof enough! :mad: ok value for money aswell, but not as good as the lower end cards
570 1.25GB SLI (not recommended since early of this year)WTF? BS. UTTER BS
any 1GB cards in SLI/CF (not recommended since last year)again, UTTER BS
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Guys you need to stop feeding this troll, if he thinks a single GPU can only manage 30fps with all settings max @1080p to justify his purchase of more expensive cards, let him. Also let him carry on cherry picking what to reply to, ignoring any valid points, I am off to enjoy my games maxed out on my 1gb 5850 @ 1080p @ +50fps. Have fun justifying your purchases instead of enjoying them harmony ;)
 
KelDG said:
Guys you need to stop feeding this troll, if he thinks a single GPU can only manage 30fps with all settings max @1080p to justify his purchase of more expensive cards, let him. Also let him carry on cherry picking what to reply to, ignoring any valid points, I am off to enjoy my games maxed out on my 1gb 5850 @ 1080p @ +50fps. Have fun justifying your purchases instead of enjoying them harmony ;)
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To be fair, as much as I dislike harmony (99.978% of the time), I wouldn't really class him as a troll. He's atleast getting some proof. He's just not very good at debating/justifications :/
 
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