Tell me about Integras...

Dogbreath · 27 Oct 2011 at 13:21

ubersonic said:
Actually that was a budget model designed specifically for the UK as an after-thought, so its a slower version of a fast car, but nice try

So why was the same engine also fitted to Japanese and US models? Nice try

ubersonic said:
I don't know why people are getting narky with me over this, the OP asked for info/opinions on Integras from people who had owned/driven them, I gave mine, they may not be the same as other peoples opinions but that's why they are called opinions.

People are getting "narky" because of the ridiculous comments you have made that have no basis in fact.

ubersonic · 27 Oct 2011 at 13:27

Dogbreath said:
So why was the same engine also fitted to Japanese and US models? Nice try

It wasn't, like I said it was UK only (may have also been sold in mainland Europe)

Dogbreath said:
People are getting "narky" because of the ridiculous comments you have made that have no basis in fact.

Could you quote the one/ones your thinking of (preferably something I haven't already justified/explained) please and I will back them up. But if your complaining about my opinions of Integra ownership perhaps you would also like to complain about my favourite food (chicken korma) or colour (purple) while your at it, the OP wanted opinions from current/former owners.

LizardKing · 27 Oct 2011 at 13:46

Dogbreath said:
So why was the same engine also fitted to Japanese and US models? Nice try

JDM and USDM came with the 2.2 non vtec

Unless your referring to the 2.0 in the 3rd gen Prelude which afaik came in 2.0 SOHC or 2.0 DOHC forms, neither could really be classed as slow engines in the 80's

Gaijin · 27 Oct 2011 at 14:33

ubersonic said:
and it was more comfortable, quieter, better equipped, a bit faster and handled slightly better than the stock ITR.

Sounds like someone didn't do their homework.

Who buys an ITR with comfort, quietness, and equipment in mind?

Plus I've driven both an a JDM 2.2 VTEC Prelude and a UKDM Post 98 ITR and they aren't even comparable.

Really can't understand where you're coming from.

Relentless81 · 27 Oct 2011 at 14:59

Dogbreath said:
Whilst the Corolla would certainly be much newer for the money, it still won't hold a candle to a (non-knackered) Tyre R Integra dynamically

I never said it would, I would know I've driven both cars, thats how first hand experiance works

ubersonic · 27 Oct 2011 at 15:30

Gayjin said:
Sounds like someone didn't do their homework.

Who buys an ITR with comfort, quietness, and equipment in mind?

Plus I've driven both an a JDM 2.2 VTEC Prelude and a UKDM Post 98 ITR and they aren't even comparable.

Really can't understand where you're coming from.

Where im coming form is fairly simple, I didn't have comfort, quietness, and equipment in mind when I bought the ITR, but my point there was that the tuned Prelude I replaced it with beat the ITR in all of those categories as well as matching it in performance/handling. Overall the car that I bought/tuned cost half as much as the ITR cost to buy and was either as good or better in all areas.

Relentless81 · 27 Oct 2011 at 15:40

ubersonic said:
Where im coming form is fairly simple, I didn't have comfort, quietness, and equipment in mind when I bought the ITR, but my point there was that the tuned Prelude I replaced it with beat the ITR in all of those categories as well as matching it in performance/handling. Overall the car that I bought/tuned cost half as much as the ITR cost to buy and was either as good or better in all areas.

I've owned a H22A8 5th Gen, only complaint was the standard suspension wasnt up to the ITRs but with the right suspension the Prelude would have no problem being as good if not better than an ITR, this argument will go on forever though, it used to be the main argument back in the day

hurfdurf · 27 Oct 2011 at 17:15

ubersonic posting up a poo storm of pooey posts all over motors tonight!

Johnnytoxic · 27 Oct 2011 at 17:57

The DC2 holds it's value because of it's rarity.

I would say the EP3 is a better car in every category.

Quicker, More practical, More mod cons.

There wouldn't be hardly anything in it handling wise when it comes down to it.

[TW]Fox · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:01

Relentless81 said:
I never said it would, I would know I've driven both cars, thats how first hand experiance works

First hand experience alone is only as good as the person with said experience.

My gran has first hand experience of both the Deawoo Matiz and the Nissan Micra.

I wouldn't expect her to be able to tell me which handles best.

GT3 · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:46

Johnnytoxic said:
The DC2 holds it's value because of it's rarity.

I would say the EP3 is a better car in every category.

Quicker, More practical, More mod cons.

There wouldn't be hardly anything in it handling wise when it comes down to it.

Might be better on paper, but Integra's aren't about lap times, value for money or practicality. They are about the driving experience.

Relentless81 · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:55

[TW]Fox;20417114 said:
I wouldn't expect her to be able to tell me which handles best.

Because you wouldnt expect an OAP to make such a comment on those type of cars that would be completely out of the ordinary

[TW]Fox · 27 Oct 2011 at 18:56

Relentless81 said:
Because you wouldnt expect an OAP to make such a comment on those type of cars that would be completely out of the ordinary

Please, miss the point some more. It's fun!

-Ad- · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:22

Johnnytoxic said:
The DC2 holds it's value because of it's rarity.

I would say the EP3 is a better car in every category.

Quicker, More practical, More mod cons.

There wouldn't be hardly anything in it handling wise when it comes down to it.

Hardly anything in it, they are just completely different cars and the DC2 has an LSD.

Yep, hardly anything in it at all.

Johnnytoxic said:
I would say the EP3 is a better car in every category.

Quicker - In a straight line there isn't anything in it and you think it's quicker when pressing on around a track/corners. LULZ
More practical - You can fold the seats down in both (Civic I think?) creating plenty of space. But can you put a sofa in an EP3 (see link)?
More mod cons - Like?

And I would disagree

Link for the practicality: http://www.itr-dc2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92219&highlight=van

Dogbreath · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:32

ubersonic said:
It wasn't, like I said it was UK only (may have also been sold in mainland Europe)

I was thinking about the fourth generation car; the one that doesn't cause people to vomit on sight. The later seems seem to have been made with a low power option for the US and Canadian markets though - surely not another 'afterthought'?

ubersonic said:
Could you quote the one/ones your thinking of (preferably something I haven't already justified/explained) please and I will back them up. .

Specifically the comparison of the base spec Integra to the base spec versions of two of the worst (dynamically) European hatches of the era. Simply because yours seems to have be a bit of a dog, does not mean they were all like this.

Flukester · 27 Oct 2011 at 19:53

i'd say get a ep3, though they are both similar cars from a drivers point of view, it's just a bit more modern. the itr is a lovely car though, you need to be a real enthusiast though i think to live with one daily....

i bought a ep3 4 weeks or so back and it's a fantastic drivers car, though it wont rip your face off with g force it's the way it delivers the power that has you grinning ear to ear ....and this comes from someone who's used to a bike with 4 times the power to weight and sub 3sec 0-60

edit: in fact im selling the zx10r because of it, £2500 and shes yours

hurfdurf · 27 Oct 2011 at 21:52

Relentless81 said:
Because you wouldnt expect an OAP to make such a comment on those type of cars that would be completely out of the ordinary

And your someone who tried to say there was no difference between a Corolla and a Civic Type R or some such nonsense, so your opinion on things motoring related have that golden thought process behind it discrediting everything you say.

ramirez · 27 Oct 2011 at 22:43

i didn't own my ITR for very long, but I always felt like I preferred the VTEC Preludes I owned before it.... still have a soft spot for them!

Johnnytoxic · 28 Oct 2011 at 00:21

-Ad- said:
Hardly anything in it, they are just completely different cars and the DC2 has an LSD.

Ah my Honda adversay.

Your wrong, in a straight line the EP3 is quicker. Theres no way the two cars are exactly the same, one is going to be faster.
Unless you love the styling of the DC2 or an enthusiast, you get more for your money with an EP3 ( not paying the premium for a rare car ). Newer car too, less chance of failing and rust.

Mod cons, well air conditioning for one.

0-60 book figures pretty much everywhere

DC2 - 6.8
EP3 - 6.4

I'll just post this.

neil-ste · 28 Oct 2011 at 00:54

Johnnytoxic said:
Ah my Honda adversay.

Your wrong, in a straight line the EP3 is quicker. Theres no way the two cars are exactly the same, one is going to be faster.

I've owned a DC2 for 5 years, 2 of my friends own EP3s and we've demonstrated on numerous occasions there's nothing in it at all, nothing worth arguing over at all.

Johnnytoxic said:
Mod cons, well air conditioning for one.

Not sure on this. Both are 'hot hatches' (Yes I know I drive a coupé), have electric mirrors, electric windows, sports seats, CD players etc. If anything a higher percentage of DC2s have AC than EP3s.