Huge accident on M5

Think he is saying the smoke output can differ hugely and that itcould have been like his with little smoke.

My heart goes out to the families of those lost and injured.

I think he's saying, he's been to a big bonfire before, therefore, all other bonfires will ultimately be the same.

He never said, "smoke output can be the same" from bonfire to bonfire, which even if he did, still i'd get the facepalm picture out.
 
you're saying all bonfires are the same?

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did I say ALL BONFIRZ MUST BE SAME CAUSE MINE WAZNT SMOKEY

No, go troll somewhere else
 
This!
Wood fires don't create massive amounts of smoke unless your burning a forest, besides smoke rises. Fog on the over hand has a great tendency to just roll in in moments at ground level.

Looks like we have an expert in the house..

Do i need to point out how a bonfire could create a lot of smoke? :rolleyes:

Smoke from a bonfire could easly drift over..
I obviously am not saying this is what happened, but could anyone coming out with a load of **** look into it first.
 
did I say ALL BONFIRZ MUST BE SAME CAUSE MINE WAZNT SMOKEY

No, go troll somewhere else

I thought you were trying to point out FACT? Trying to insinuate that all bonfires are the same as you've been to a big one your self.

But in actual fact, no you wern't, haha you're now saying all bonfires are not all the same, just you've been to a big one that didnt really give off smoke.

Wow what a pointless and unuseful fact, if that isnt trolling, i dont know what is..
 
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Fog on its own doesn't cause an accident. There had to be something for somebody to drive into in said fog. Ordinarily everyone doesn't crash when its foggy.

Presumably only people immediatly around the initial impact would know if it was a car joining the motorway, so thats limited to the car itself, the lorry driver and perhaps a few other cars. Everyone else would just have seen a rapidly developing accident not the initial cause?

I've seen it happen dozens of times on the M6 around Penrith, weather closes in, poor visibility and some people still hammering it on at well above 70mph... fortunatly so far not seen anyone take an innocent 3rd party out but a number of times come across said vehicles a few miles later where they've left the road (aquaplaning, misjudged corner or whatever) or situations where they have obviously taken avoiding action to miss something they only saw that the last minute in the rain/fog and left the road or clipped the central barrier and so on.

It annoys me a lot as inevitably those kinda people are going to take out an innocent 3rd party.
 
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This!
Wood fires don't create massive amounts of smoke unless your burning a forest, besides smoke rises. Fog on the over hand has a great tendency to just roll in in moments at ground level.

I have to disagree. I live near a major park in Derby, about a mile away, and each year there is a massive bonfire and firework display. A few years back on the evening of the firework display the wind was obviously blowing in the direction of my street as the smoke from the bonfire filled my entire street, we couldn't see to the other side of the street for maybe a minute as the smoke drifted through. Really weird. These bonfires burn mostly pallets and other wood items.

So, if this happened in Taunton last night, whose to say it didn't play a part in the crash?
 
I have to disagree. I live near a major park in Derby, about a mile away, and each year there is a massive bonfire and firework display. A few years back on the evening of the firework display the wind was obviously blowing in the direction of my street as the smoke from the bonfire filled my entire street, we couldn't see to the other side of the street for maybe a minute as the smoke drifted through. Really weird. These bonfires burn mostly pallets and other wood items.

So, if this happened in Taunton last night, whose to say it didn't play a part in the crash?

Its not impossible it was a contributing factor, but general weather conditions were not great so people should have been driving with a good level of caution.
 
Ive seen someone join the motorway at a good motorway speed, but as you join a motorway you obviously need to look in your mirrors and blindspot, he did this but didnt have time or anticipated braking traffic in front of him, he had no time to brake so pulled across three lanes, he was so lucky to not hit anyone, just a thought.
 
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Its not impossible it was a contributing factor, but general weather conditions were not great so people should have been driving with a good level of caution.

Absolutely agreed, but you could never really prepare for a wall of thick blinding smoke?
 
I thought you were trying to point out FACT? Trying to insinuate that all bonfires are the same as you've been to a big one your self.

But in actual fact, no you wern't, haha you're now saying all bonfires are not all the same, just you've been to a big one that didnt really give off smoke.

Wow what a pointless and unuseful fact, if that isnt trolling, i dont know what is..

If i was stating fact I would have said:

my bonfire didnt make much smoke so the one at the rugby club wouldnt either. Did I say that..........NO

Stop trying to recover your lost pride in the fact your posted one of those caption pictures
 
If i was stating fact I would have said:

my bonfire didnt make much smoke so the one at the rugby club wouldnt either. Did I say that..........NO

Stop trying to recover your lost pride in the fact your posted one of those caption pictures

haha, you think i get pride out of it..


so when you told your story about the bonfire you went to, what were you getting at? because you've lost me now..

i mean, i'd understand if you just told me you're a smack head..
 
out of all the road conditions I drive in, or have ever driven in, fog is by far the worst, perhaps only second to seriously heavy, settling snow in the dark. I was driving to Bath last night through Salisbury, Warminster, etc. The fog was so thick in places you literally had no choice but to crawl along. Crawl along a road I've driven over a thousand times and generally know like the back of my hand, and it was catching me out becasue I just couldn't tell where I actually was. At one point, I came across a car going even slower than me, only because I ended up being sat on his bumper because I couldn't see his rear lights (although he wasn't using his rear fogs which didn't help).

This M5 accident is very sad. There was one many years ago on the M1, which had multiple vehicles and fatalaties. It was so bad that after the initial accident, cars continied to smash into the pile up even though the police were already present. You couldn't see the blue flashing lights of the emergency services because of the fog density. One police office had to walk from the scene down the carriageway waving his arms at oncoming traffic to try and get them to slow down.

RIP to all those who died, very sad :(
 
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not expected to reopen until 6am tomo!! jesus!

looks like ill be taking the diversion on my way home tonight!

RIP to all involved very sad!
 
Such a sad story - a mile or so away from my family home in Somerset.
Thoughts go out to all those involved, especially my paramedic crews I sometimes work with, as they were first on scene.
 
not expected to reopen until 6am tomo!! jesus!

looks like ill be taking the diversion on my way home tonight!

RIP to all involved very sad!

Looks like a section of the M5 will need resurfacing.

M6 motorway 11-vehicles crash leaves six injured
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Six people have been injured in a crash involving 11 vehicles on the M6 motorway in Lancashire.

Police said the crash involved seven cars and four lorries and happened close to junction 29, near Leyland, south of Preston, at about 01:40 GMT

Happened last night.
 
Looks like a section of the M5 will need resurfacing.

i would think it would need it after the heat etc.

I was 2 hours away from finishing work to start heading home, and bam im here for another week maybe 2!! so close lol

Happened last night.
Wow, seems strange theres so many crashes happening, hope it doesn't carry on, especially if there is snow etc forecast. :(
 
Putting my meteorological hat on...

Smoke particles are hygroscopic so can greatly enhance foggy conditions.
This is why on night's on or around bonfire night, there is more fog/mist than usual.

If there was already mist/fog present, additional smoke from a bonfire would create "super fog"

This is the reason for zero visibility, and probably the cause of the incident

http://www.treesearch.fs.fed.us/pubs/6971

there are occasions when smoke is entrapped locally and combines with water vapor to produce zero visibility smoke/fog or super-fog. Super-fog threatens transportation when it drifts over roadways
 
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