and now theres less jobs because the goverment is forcing people to do them for what is essentially free
Take a bow, mighty conservative Britain, the workhouses are back
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and now theres less jobs because the goverment is forcing people to do them for what is essentially free
Yes, everyone who is on the brew lives in a council house, smokes, has kids and never works. Maybe there are some people like that, but the majority also want to work for a living, there just aren't any jobs.
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Stereotype much? It's you woolly do gooders which have brought about a dependency and entitlement culture that can only be twinned by Africa!
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They're getting paid, via their benefits.
Don't like it? go get an actual job then.
And I bet all the "actual" jobs that she's applied for were Geology based jobs, of which, lets be honest here, there isn't exactly a huge amount to do around, and were no doubt filled with someone who has actual experience on the job, not some fresh faced, jut out of Uni student.
There's plenty of jobs to be had if you don't set your sights too high. There's nothing wrong with working as a shelf stacker in Tesco's for a while while you seek alternative employment, which pays for your bills in the meantime.
The problem is that the current education system is churning out all these kids with degrees, and they're all expecting to get high paid jobs on the basis of having a degree alone, and lets be honest here, it just doesn't work like that in the real world anymore. Experience in work beats Diploma in your hand 80% of the time.
If I was an employer, I would for sure be taking people who have experience in work over a person straight out of Uni, and who is used to the layabout student lifestyle every time, if they're available. And they are available due to the rate the education system in this country is curning out all these paper graduates every year.
There's tons of retail jobs to be had for these kids in the meantime, but they just don't want to do them. They think they're "better than that", and honestly it sickens me.
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Don't like it? go get an actual job then.
And I bet all the "actual" jobs that she's applied for were Geology based jobs, of which, lets be honest here, there isn't exactly a huge amount to do around, and were no doubt filled with someone who has actual experience on the job, not some fresh faced, jut out of Uni student.
There's plenty of jobs to be had if you don't set your sights too high. There's nothing wrong with working as a shelf stacker in Tesco's for a while while you seek alternative employment, which pays for your bills in the meantime.
The problem is that the current education system is churning out all these kids with degrees, and they're all expecting to get high paid jobs on the basis of having a degree alone, and lets be honest here, it just doesn't work like that in the real world anymore. Experience in work beats Diploma in your hand 80% of the time.
If I was an employer, I would for sure be taking people who have experience in work over a person straight out of Uni, and who is used to the layabout student lifestyle every time, if they're available. And they are available due to the rate the education system in this country is curning out all these paper graduates every year.
There's tons of retail jobs to be had for these kids in the meantime, but they just don't want to do them. They think they're "better than that", and honestly it sickens me.
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Are you implying that every single out of work person in the UK is a riotchavscum?, in a society which has more people than jobs.
Are you another one of those idiots who think the GLOBAL economic crisis was caused by the welfare state?, you really are an idiot.
NathanE have you ever lived outside of the UK? I think you have a very blinkered view on real life mate. The UK is a great place in many ways, but economically it's one of the most unfair societies in the developed world, excluding Russia it is certainly the least fair in Europe.
This idea of there being millions of jobs available and that everyone not in work is a dole dosser sat at home shooting heroin is complete nonesense.
no there isn't enough jobs for everyone, however people have got lazier, or more importantly expect more.
Go back to are dads, grandads generation. And you would work for free to prove yourself. You would seek any job going and you would put the effort in to go talk to people and get a job.
Now it's I'm trying, I've applied to 50 jobs online this week. Wow woopie do da. What do you think hundreds of thousands of others have done. At at home applying for the same job.
Instead why not get dressed up, get your cv checked and get out there and show some effort to potential future employers.
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I have only read the OP so this has probably been discussed already.
If they are getting JSA then it's not unpaid work is it.
Anyway I that it is a great idea, if they actually have to work for their money but at a lower rate than an employed person then it's a great incentive to find a job beacause who wants to do a job but paid less than a person doing the exact same thing?
If they are getting JSA then it's not unpaid work is it.
Anyway I that it is a great idea, if they actually have to work for their money but at a lower rate than an employed person then it's a great incentive to find a job beacause who wants to do a job but paid less than a person doing the exact same thing?
But say they start using it now, instead of taking on xmas temps or offer overtime they take on JSA people for 2 months for FREE
What about if they get offered a job but its only 16 hours a week and that's giving you £30 more than JSA, add in travel costs or housing benefits etc and people will say I cant live off £97 a week, we need to make working pay, too many benefits which can easily equal working full time pay.
Benefits vs working min wage jobs and living costs is the problem.
We need more full time jobs, more people working, more money earnt and spent on the econmy, thus creating more jobs.
And again, someone assumes that everyone on the brew is a no-good dosser, rather than someone who simply cannot get a job.
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I didn't say that, i said 'so what should they do instead'.
Yes we have a shortage of jobs, but people are flocking from other countrys and find work alright, why can't people from our own country fill these positions?
No, of course not. Read my other posts? Read the thread? "riotchavscum" is a joke by the way. It is basically referring to extreme and loud socialists. The sort you see camped out St Paul's...
No, of course not. Where on earth did you pluck that from?
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Glaucus which decent potential future employers are you refering to exactly? The absolute BEST you can hope for nowadays unless you are extremely well conected and have a supportive and financially stable family is a job in a telecoms call centre, earning 6 quid an hour and being tracked for every minute of the day. That is the best our young people have to look foreward to.
Industry in the UK is nonexistent thanks to Thather and her ilk, we followed milton friendmans economic policy of selling labour to the cheapest bidder and now the countries we sold it to are booming at an unbelievable rate!
But say they start using it now, instead of taking on xmas temps or offer overtime they take on JSA people for 2 months for FREE
What about if they get offered a job but its only 16 hours a week and that's giving you £30 more than JSA, add in travel costs or housing benefits etc and people will say I cant live off £97 a week, we need to make working pay, too many benefits which can easily equal working full time pay.
Benefits vs working min wage jobs and living costs is the problem.
We need more full time jobs, more people working, more money earnt and spent on the econmy, thus creating more jobs.
1st you have no idea what the policies are, can shops just take on hundreds of JSA people, I very much doubt it.
Will companies risk such a stratagem with untested, untrained staff not showing up or not doing the work, again I don't think so.
If they can get work they should take it. If JSA gives you that much money it needs cutting.
Last bit I agree with. Unfortunately no government is doing enough in sectors we should be huge in. One of the biggest should be renewable energy and green tech. We are ideally suited to this sector.
Given the difficulty in which people are having finding work, I can't see how this helps the situation. Yes it helps JSA earners look for and potentially earn work, but surely the negative impact this has on older and better trained people is only going to be bad?
For the actual workers, it doesn't seem all bad...
One of my previous employers took on people like this and it never really worked. The people that came in felt like they were forced and just didnt give a damn about doing the job at hand as they were working alongside people who were getting a good wage for doing the same.
The full time employees couldnt care less about them as they just didnt put in a full days work and just moped around 24/7.
If they want this to work then atleast give them something even if it was £30 a week extra for the duration.
The full time employees couldnt care less about them as they just didnt put in a full days work and just moped around 24/7.
If they want this to work then atleast give them something even if it was £30 a week extra for the duration.
What a silly moment. Many of us have better jobs than that and many of us have such jobs which need no qualifications.
Telecoms call centre best that can be hopped for. Really, did you really just say that.
Works work at the end of the day and you should take anything out their. That's the biggest dopifferece between people is attitude.
Yeah exactly! I really don't see how they can be paid less than the minimum wage if they are doing the same work as their counterparts
Hang on?, so your out of work?
/Classic poster.
Job a job you lazy scrounging loser, as you say - it's easy.
Stop drinking, having kids, smoking crack.
How can you afford a PC on benefits?
(I'm not actually serious, I just find people like you REALLY funny).
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Because it's got so bad in some of these working environments, that the eastern blockers look out for their own and ensure their countrymen will gain employment.
The thing is it's like they are getting paid double time all the time, you could **** in their mouth and they'd still say thank you.