Take a bow, mighty conservative Britain, the workhouses are back

Glaucus · 16 Nov 2011 at 19:28

Keep it coming.
Bitter, I don't think so.
Want them to do badly, again not the case.
Do better than these people hope to achieve. Yeah riiiiighhhht. I do a job which needs no qualifications and anyone can do. In fact most people I work with probably have less than half the GCSEs I have and no A levels or degrees. So how can you say it's more than they hope to achieve.

oulton · 16 Nov 2011 at 19:29

Glaucus said:
Keep it coming.
Bitter, I don't think so.
Want them to do badly, again not the case.
Do better than these people hope to achieve. Yeah riiiiighhhht. I do a job which needs no qualifications and anyone can do. In fact most people I work with probably have less than half the GCSEs I have and no A levels or degrees. So how can you say it's more than they hope to achieve.

you lose.

Glaucus · 16 Nov 2011 at 19:30

oulton said:
you lose.

How do you work that out.

benneh · 16 Nov 2011 at 19:40

Bit slow on the replies, I'm cooking.

Glaucus said:
For a start it was labour not Tories.

Who did what?. Dismantled the manufacturing sector of the UK, or pushed youth towards education?...

Glaucus said:
How is it outdate, if you don't work you don't have money. You shouldn't expect to be spoon fed, even if it is a low amount.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'spoon fed'. I'd like to think that the majority of people on job seekers are actually seeking a job!. It is after-all £90 a fortnight or something daft. Hardly enticing.

Glaucus said:
There isn't a massive lack of low end jobs, there's plenty about.

Are there?. I'm really not so sure. And as I said, a lot of people are simply overqualified. A relatively new term!, but one that people do encounter often..

Glaucus said:
But why are you even interested din low end jobs, you've already said you shouldn't have to do such jobs. They are below you and youve spent thousand getting qualifications.

I didn't say anything was below anyone, or that someone 'shouldn't have to'. I said that people have invested vast sums of money and long periods of time in an education which they fully expected to yield some kind of decent job.

Glaucus said:
And you think I'm from a different generation?

You definitely sound as though you're at least fused with the mind set of the older generations. I'm sorry if that's incorrect. No offense intended!.

Nate75 · 16 Nov 2011 at 19:41

oulton said:
you lose.

blah

Glaucus · 16 Nov 2011 at 19:43

benneh said:
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Who did what?. Dismantled the manufacturing sector of the UK, or pushed youth towards

introduced this scheme.

Spoon fed, getting something for nothing. Even if they are looking for jobs properly. Why shouldn't they do something for the money. Why is it so abhorrent to you.

So if it's not below them, then what's the problem. They've tried one route, it hasn't worked out. That's life. Time to try a new route and quite possibly one from the bottom rung.

And yes there are huge numbers of unfield bottom end jobs.

You think I'm old fashioned as I have a good works ethics and am willing to do any job that benefits me. Rather than sitting around getting depressed in a never ending loop of despair.

Alpherah · 16 Nov 2011 at 19:51

Plenty of good in this, however (and it might already have been posted) anyone else expect companies to take advantage of this for basically free labour? at the expense of anyone who actually wants to find a job?

JIM_BOB7813 · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:05

If Tesco have work for people to do, why don't they just employ people?

They seem to be getting free work (at the expense of the government and those looking for work).

Vonhelmet · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:11

If it gets people off JSA and into jobs then it's a good thing.

benneh · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:14

Glaucus said:
introduced this scheme.

Spoon fed, getting something for nothing..

Eh?. Wasn't it Thatcher who dismantled the British industrial base?.
What do you propose Labour would do, aside from accelerate/complete a shift towards a tertiary sector economy?; which means education, service sector employment, technology, finance etc. Of course they introduced a more widespread social care/justice(;p) policy, what do you suppose you might do with millions of people who were either unsuited or unprepared for a shift away from manufacturing/production (you can thank tony for your minimum wage don't forget), suddenly no longer employed by the docks, the mines, the factories, etc. There are generations of people that haven't recovered from that (there certainly were in Liverpool when I lived there a few years ago!).

(Jesus I have to refresh 2-3 times to make sure I include all of your new updates. Make a complete post my man!).

Glaucus said:
So if it's not below them, then what's the problem. They've tried one route, it hasn't worked out. That's life. Time to try a new route and quite possibly one from the bottom rung.

Oh dear. I'm not sure that's as easy to accept for most people. After investing so much. Instead of asking people to lower their expectations (which have been bolstered by the government for so so long), why don't you ask the government to invest in job creation?, or at the very least maintain the positions they've previously filled.

Glaucus said:
And yes there are huge numbers of unfield bottom end jobs.

I just don't agree with that. Or rather, there are far too few, and not enough to go around. I mean unless you're talking cash in hand labour etc, the work's evidently not there.

Glaucus said:
You think I'm old fashioned as I have a good works ethics and am willing to do any job that benefits me. Rather than sitting around getting depressed in a never ending loop of despair.

I don't mean to belittle you or anything, not at-all. As you say, you're not moping, you're out there earning a quid. I'm just saying that not everyone feels the way you do, some people feel that they've been sold a vision of something more prosperous, invested heavily in it, and now it aint there to be collected. And sort of blunt, badly managed shifts on the part of the tories in social welfare isn't going to help that situation. Especially when it mostly impacts the poorest in society.

benneh · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:15

Vonhelmet said:
If it gets people off JSA and into jobs then it's a good thing.

Shotguns would get people off JSA and into jobs. Shall we look into that?.

Glaucus · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:16

And that's the problem, it's attitude. People need an attitude readjustment. They need to realise the old owes them nothing and it's upto them to find and secure a job, what ever it is.

Dave M · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:17

JIM_BOB7813 said:
If Tesco have work for people to do, why don't they just employ people?

They seem to be getting free work (at the expense of the government and those looking for work).

I actually think it's pretty altruistic of Tesco to do this, personally I'd run a mile before employing long term unemployed, they'll be hard work for their managers.

I also don't agree with previous comments that voluntary work would be better - they're not jobs, they need to get into the habit (and yes, enjoyment) of a typical working day.

I imagine a lot of people who would take up this scheme are a little scared of what work will be like, they may have never had a full time job and I'm fairly sure most people who do this will find they enjoy the camaraderie of a *real* job and want to carry on.

Firestar_3x · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:20

Agent_Smith357 said:
This is the worst thread I have ever read on this forum and I hope to god the awful opinions within it are confined to small minority.

You may think your safe in current job but give it time and perhaps your employer will see the benefit of free state funded labour?

Yet you come out with total tosh like the above, how can highly skilled jobs be replaced with Free State funded labor, hint the answer is it can't.

Nice view though!

churchhawk · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:23

I know of people who sit at home all day claim money and play on the xbox, ps3 etc and have lovely 50" plasma tv, some even drive cars and they have kids.

Me and my missus work our arses off cant afford to have kids at the monent because society has made it difficult for us doing "the right thing".

Im glad these people are being made to work, keep it coming i say

KiTBoH · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:25

I was on JSA (still am) and I got a call saying I needed to do something like 13 weeks work experience at the council doing secretarial work. Said no and nothing has come of it. (I said no because I'm looking for jobs in IT, not because I don't want a job)
Getting a low-paid job really isn't as easy as some people think. I can't get a job in a supermarket/high-street store because I have no work experience. A lot of jobs set requirements because people who meet them are currently looking for work i.e. shops look for people who've worked in a shop floor environment before and have had training that may apply.

Being forced to work for no pay somewhere like Poundland where you gain almost nothing career wise is ridiculous. If the shop needs workers they should employ them.

Glaucus · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:26

So you turned down something that would give you the experience you need to get a job. That doesn't make sense. Do your ant a job or not, would this offer give you the experience you say you are lacking.

Firestar_3x · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:27

KiTBoH said:
I was on JSA (still am) and I got a call saying I needed to do something like 13 weeks work experience at the council doing secretarial work. Said no and nothing has come of it. (I said no because I'm looking for jobs in IT, not because I don't want a job)
Getting a low-paid job really isn't as easy as some people think. I can't get a job in a supermarket/high-street store because I have no work experience. A lot of jobs set requirements because people who meet them are currently looking for work i.e. shops look for people who've worked in a shop floor environment before and have had training that may apply.

Being forced to work for no pay somewhere like Poundland where you gain almost nothing career wise is ridiculous. If the shop needs workers they should employ them.

So if you did 13 weeks and got a reference at the end and updated your CV don't you think you would be in a better position that you are now?

benneh · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:31

Glaucus said:
And that's the problem, it's attitude. People need an attitude readjustment. They need to realise the old owes them nothing and it's upto them to find and secure a job, what ever it is.

That's a really short sighted crap argument, imo. Frankly. Go and read about why this is happening, try to see it from a different perspective (I don't mean a liberal or a left perspective, I mean literally just go and find out a little bit about what's lead us to this point, and think about how you personally might solve it, rather than simply embracing cameron's 'bunch of lazy sods' *****x). It's attitude?, you honestly think that this situation is caused by the attitude of a million people?..

It's just so obtuse that you would think that however million people are sitting at home of the opinion that the world 'owes them a living'. Jesus.. And Cameron can sell this nonesense, and you lap it up, just lap it up, while he ***** everyone over.

How very depressing, because unfortunately you represent a huge number of people..

Glaucus · 16 Nov 2011 at 20:31

What's it got to do with Cameron. I've been saying it for over a decade, well before I knew who Cameron was.
Oh that's right it's a political party argument, oh wait perhaps it not.

I've repeatedly said I don't think it's everyone or that there's enough jobs for everyone. However there's still hundreds of thousands of jobs out there.

And unfortunately you represent the people who do a degree and expect the world.