30/11 Strikes.

Biohazard said:
Maybe it's not the people who were in general acredited for their hard work but poor investment and both micro/macro economic control from successive Governments?

The areas that have had high unemployment have done so since their employers toppled.

The undeserving poor is far easier to cry however, I do realise...
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100% poor investments and the people looking after the economic control is the problem.

It's easier to blame others for their mistakes....

The UKs decline is only going to get worse as the next generation comes in..... The worlds problems can't be solved by 1 person they have to be solved by everyone. There's just far to many people in the world now and it's getting out of control fast.
 
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scorza said:
What do you mean? They're being instructed to pay more into their pensions, get less back and work for longer. The average public sector pension is worth £5000 a year btw, hardly a king's ransom.
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A figure that, without the context of the average length of service, is meaningless, not to mention that the issue of affordability doesn't simply relate to the amount paid out, but the ratio of amount paid in vs the amount paid in.

£5000 a year is the equivalent of having saved a pension pot of several hundred thousand a year in a defined benefit pension...
 
I don't think a day of strikes will really engender feelings of sympathy from those who are struggling to get by in the private sector, or the millions of people currently looking for a job, or the millions with a private sector pension who have seen the value of it fall to a fraction of what they've paid in.

I can see the use of strikes as a last resort, but this is gunboat diplomacy.
 
Seems all counter-productive to me and surely leads onto a more vicious circle, costing the government more money, and maybe more public sector jobs.
 
So the bullying, harrassment and intimidation that plagues the union movement is still present and accounted for then?

Sounds like all the more reason for further restrictions on them...
 
I love how people say one day of strikes will cripple the country, the stories I heard about the winter of discontent and miners strikes..blackouts, weeks of rubbish in the street.

We don't know we are born. Bleeding hell you iPhone users would be up in arms if you couldn't charge up your shiney shiney 4s

Neither do the MPs, sorted for life they are. Do some MP work, claim expenses, do a bit of lobbying ala Fox etc. loads a money!
 
I wonder how many public sector employees would remain in role if the public sector had to earn it's money rather than steal it? How many are providing productive, customer driven services that people would choose over potential competition...
 
Dolph said:
I wonder how many public sector employees would remain in role if the public sector had to earn it's money rather than steal it? How many are providing productive, customer driven services that people would choose over potential competition...
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Teachers
Nurses
Firemen
Police
Bin men
Job centre workers
Libraries

Yes Dolph lets get rid of these people and privatise, its what you want and the tories, either sell it off or shut it down, you will be happy!
 
Dolph said:
I wonder how many public sector employees would remain in role if the public sector had to earn it's money rather than steal it? How many are providing productive, customer driven services that people would choose over potential competition...
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If an equivalent leftish post had been produced you would have been all fallacy this and fallacy that - steal lol.

How many UK companies are providing productive, customer driven services that people would choose over potential international competitors ... err ... loads obviously it's why we have such a great manufacturing base!

How about this for a solution: private companies make themselves and their employees competitive on the international market and all accept 95% pay cuts :rolleyes:
 
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gettothechopper said:
your dad helped his industry die good job!
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Nothing to do with me ;)

"From 1985 onwards the pit closure programme picked up speed. Margaret Thatcher had taken on the strongest union in the land and won"

Dolph said:
I wonder how many public sector employees would remain in role if the public sector had to earn it's money rather than steal it? How many are providing productive, customer driven services that people would choose over potential competition...
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It's going that way to be fair with you in Education. Lots of paid courses now that are not funded.
 
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Dolph said:
So the bullying, harrassment and intimidation that plagues the union movement is still present and accounted for then?
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Insignificant amounts of which compared to what the workers receive from the bosses and politicians. Clearly if sources of bullying, harassment and intimidation are so important to you I recommend you begin your crusade there...

Or just taking the opportunity to beat unions with any little thing going?
 
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