30/11 Strikes.
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Surely the negotiation should be around how to meet the required financials, rather than about whether the financials are necessary.
The government can't compromise on the financials, the unions don't want any changes. Intransience isn't one sided in this, especially when you start to read articles from the various union leaders, especially those in the Guardian, where they make clear they see this strike as political, not about their members pensions.
And this is the foolishness. Playing the do or die card is only going to have one result.
And this would be a very sad state of affairs, because good unions are a valuable thing. The problem is the big unions aren't the good ones...
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You got 'bored' of 'short days'?
This public sector stuff sounds awesome. According to this thread if you get a job in the public sector you'll be financially better off than the private sector, you'll pay no tax, you'll have short days... it sounds like a utopia!
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Short days are quite boring if you don't fill them with anything. Hence my recent interest in the electronics thread.
All I do is slouch around all day posting on here. Need to start walking again, that wasted time and see some good scenery.
In the vast vast vast majority of cases that is the parents fault. If you can't afford children, don't have them. If you can afford them and do decide to have children then make sure you save your extra money in case you lose your job.
Living at your limit and then whinging when you are in trouble is stupid. If people took a little more responsibility for their actions and decisions then we would all be better off in every way let alone financially.
If you do a job that is likely to be lost because of technology, look to retrain. If you have not got any skills that are transferable then get some. I am so sick of listening to people complain that they are hard done by.
What do you do when you have so much time off work?
I work most days, just not very long unless we are either far afield or or nights.
Indeed. I worked at a college myself, but I also know plenty of people who work for the council and their attitude to anything is vastly different from those who have to work for a living and is frustratingly out of touch with the real (commercial) world. The staff at the college were no better in general. More for less - never apparently able to grasp the concept of you get out what you put in. And now their eyes are being opened to it they're striking - unbelievable!
We love contracts from the public sector here, we can upsell like mofo's, sell things at the highest rates possible, push the service back for weeks at a time to serve more profitable private clients and no one bats an eyelid. Why? Because the public workers don't give a ****, and more important they don't give a **** because they're spending your money.
**** public sector decision makers, **** them in the ear.
**** unions too.
To be fair I have supported you in quite a few other debates on the need for unions in the workplace and I have never accused you of being militant, quite to opposite.
However I do think you have been a little disingenuous towards some of the concerns put forward in this thread referring to unfair and unduly disruptive practices by union members.
As for our plan to keep our school open, unfortunately the use of the school itself is impossible due to issues with pickets and safety concerns for the children. However we have arranged the use of other premises so that those parents who cannot find alternatives or cannot afford to find daycare or lose a days work have somewhere to take their children.
I have a certain amount of sympathy for people who feel they are being treated unfairly with regard their contracts, but that is no excuse to treat others in the same way, especially those who rely on a modicum of notice of their intentions. Certain professions have moral responsibilities not necessarily stipulated in their contractual obligations, teachers included.
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oh, so up selling is alright for the private sector is it? I think not!
His post just sounds like baseless shouty ranting to me, I mean look at his subsequent posts. Very odd. He's had other weird threads as well, he posted one the other week about how he hates poor people. Most bizarre.
He worked at a college, is that even considered public sector in the same way that, say, the Council is? I thought they were run as independant organisations?
Edit: Seems it kind of is, quite hard to find out who actually owns these FE colleges
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Of course upselling is ok. There will always be rogue sales guys upselling products that don't fit the customer, or generally mis-advising them to increase personal success, but the practice of upselling is perfectly fine in any sector.
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I think all the government had to do is change contracts of new starters for the pension then there wouldn't have been in a strike in the first place.
But no, they have to change the rules for everyone upseting the UK.
Upselling by putting a massive % on items or upgrading contracts etc... sounds a bit like the PPI claims that just went on, look what happened there. Everyone has to be fair in the first place otherwise this whole thread is what happens.
But no, they have to change the rules for everyone upseting the UK.
Upselling by putting a massive % on items or upgrading contracts etc... sounds a bit like the PPI claims that just went on, look what happened there. Everyone has to be fair in the first place otherwise this whole thread is what happens.
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They have changed nothing about already accrued entitlement, only moving forwards from now, exactly in line with the same employment law that applies in all sectors.
should a different set of employment laws apply in the public sector?
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Now that sounds awesome and true community spirit.
Indeed. In the village I grew up in (sitting there now actually taking daughter to visit her grandparents), this sort of thing was common place, with the local scouts, football club and so on always ready to help and provide services to those who need it on a voluntary/charity fundraising basis.
We need to get away from the idea that seems to have become prevalent that only the state can provide this support, and back to the idea that communities thrive when everyone works together of their own accord.
It was made possible by the efforts of my Wife and a couple of Friends, the local Vicar and two of the Teachers from the School.
Now to find stuff for them all to do....
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It either sounds like you don't really work for a private sector organisation offering services to the public sector at all or that your organisation has a very poor relationship with it's customers.
If you really do work along side the public sector I can't see your organisation having a public sector contract for much longer, as your experience certainly isn'twhat my experience has been for the last 12 years (working for the largest private supplier of services to the public sector btw).
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It was made possible by the efforts of my Wife and a couple of Friends, the local Vicar and two of the Teachers from the School.
Now to find stuff for them all to do....
I imagine if the community had come out and stated they supported the action then you'd have a few more teachers coming along to help
But that wouldn't happen as most parents view school as nothing more than a baby sitting service - I've yet to see an interview where a parent expresses a concern about the impact on there childs education, it's always whinging about having to take a day off. Anybody would think these parents don't want to spend time with their kids.
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