30/11 Strikes.

My wife is a teacher and is striking tomorrow.

She works over 60 hour weeks, only being paid for 40. Works through lunchtimes for detentions, after schools and occasionally school trips at weekends etc.

She will not get paid for striking tomorrow.

How is it fair, to start a career long job with an employer, plan your life and then the employer (read gov.) move the goalposts. We re not just talking moving them slighttly left or right here either, its moving them to a whole new pitch.

I think people would be more willing to accept the pensions problem if the gov. made a small change, i.e. exisiting teachers pay a higher contrib BUT still retire on the same pension at the same age.

I also think if they want to rape you in all three holes, do it to people who are joining the industry, not existing workers who again have their lives mapped.

The government will back down, the unions will not.

and as for splitting the work force with this 10 years existing crap, that is just damn right dirty.
 
Nathan said:
My wife is a teacher and is striking tomorrow.

She works over 60 hour weeks, only being paid for 40. Works through lunchtimes for detentions, after schools and occasionally school trips at weekends etc.
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Yes we all do that private and public, it is being professional and salaried, not on the clock. I am an engineer and mail work home every night to carry on from the office.
 
nkata said:
Yes we all do that private and public, it is being professional and salaried, not on the clock. I am an engineer and mail work home every night to carry on from the office.
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There is a difference to sending work home to working 20 hours a week unpaid. How many do you do?
 
platypus said:
Tell us why you think you're entitled to a protected pension when others aren't?
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surely the question there is why aren't we all entitled to a protected pension ? This is what private sector workers are constantly told by unionists, that we should be fighting for a better deal.

Maybe they are right, maybe they are not, but if we all had protected pensions where would the actual money come from ?
 
Nathan said:
How is it fair, to start a career long job with an employer, plan your life and then the employer (read gov.) move the goalposts. We re not just talking moving them slighttly left or right here either, its moving them to a whole new pitch.
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How is it fair that private pensions change, and in some cases go completely bust? Or that final salary pensions in the private sector have all but disappeared? Pensions are investments, and as such, can go up as well as down.

It should definitely not be a race to the bottom, but public sector workers need to realise that their pensions aren't sacrosanct.
 
Nathan said:
There is a difference to sending work home to working 20 hours a week unpaid. How many do you do?
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How many weeks holiday does she get.......

Better time management would negate the need for long hours.....

Many people work as long or longer hours for less money and less benefit....

Currently, the STPCD provides a contractual limit of 1,265 hours of directed time per annum for full-time classroom and excellent teachers in England and Wales. Headteachers can specify how this directed time is used. The 1,265 hours of directed time must be spread over a maximum of 195 days, 190 days of which are with pupil contact. ATL believes that the contractual limit should remain at 1,265 hours.

The 1,265 hour limit provides a vital benchmark for schools when allocating duties to teachers. ATL recognises that there is currently insufficient clarity as to what can reasonably be expected of teachers within directed time. Whilst some headteachers provide their teachers with a clear breakdown of how directed time should be used throughout the year others do not. ATL believes that if all headteachers were required to provide, at the start of each academic year, a breakdown of how directed time should be used for each individual teacher this would help drive down working time.

Teachers also receive a guaranteed minimum of 10% of their timetabled teaching time as PPA time. Teachers with additional responsibilities, regardless of whether they are paid for them, are entitled to leadership and management time. All headteachers should receive dedicated headship time to allow them to focus on strategic planning. In addition, under the national agreement, headteachers have a duty to ensure that all members of staff have a reasonable work-life balance.
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I wish my wife had such guarantees and didn't have to work on average in excess of 70hrs a week, including working through a significant part of her 5wk holiday entitlement.....including Christmas day last year....and probably this year also.
 
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wildman said:
surely the question there is why aren't we all entitled to a protected pension ? This is what private sector workers are constantly told by unionists, that we should be fighting for a better deal.

Maybe they are right, maybe they are not, but if we all had protected pensions where would the actual money come from ?
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I think you answered your own question :confused:?
 
I can easily work 35 hours over two days with another three days in the office, I do not record hours, I could say my working week varies from 37.5 hours minimum up to twice that depending on work load. I am paid to complete my workload. The basic week is 37.5 hours, however many hours I work, I earn the same amount.
 
I generally think that Teachers are hard hit :confused:

They are going to be hit very hard by this. The hours they work are often up to 70hrs per week... i should know.

Fair enough they only do 20hrs or a little more in teaching each week but then there are sessions to plan, marking, compliance etc.

Just my fiddy cent.

Again to re-iterate my earlier points... its the wrong people who are being targetted yet again. Low income people are always the ones who feel the hardest squeeze.
 
Castiel said:
The same woud be true of teachers who cannot manage their time so that they need not work more than the contractual hours......there are many, many teachers that manage it....
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Lol! Yes ok, like managing detentions and after school sports activities. Teaching is not just at primary level...
 
nkata said:
I can easily work 35 hours over two days with another three days in the office, I do not record hours, I could say my working week varies from 37.5 hours minimum up to twice that depending on work load. I am paid to complete my workload. The basic week is 37.5 hours, however many hours I work, I earn the same amount.
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In reality you should be retired at 59 ;)

Do you not get bonuses or overtime or a christmas payment?
 
Not in comparison to public sector workers on low wages, of course not :) just making the statement that they are still being hit hard... it is afterall affecting their pensions.

Teachers also have a lower life expectancy after they finish teaching too, or so i was being told by my colleague yesterday afternoon... if anyone can find any evidence i'd be interested :)
 
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