30/11 Strikes.
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No, we just got some rubbish about your morals or something. Typical theoreotical utopia from Dolph.
If the public sector was some sort of highly paid free lunch then I'm sure you'd be in the queue to join as would many here!
It's very easy to stick to your convictions in posts on internet forums, though. Actions are slightly different - if a public sector job in your field and your area came up paying, say, £10k more, you'd be a bit daft not to apply for it.
Not that it would, but you see my point.
All we can do is trust that what you say to win arguments on the internet matches what you'd do if you found yourself in such a position. I wonder how many in this thread do trust that?
Why not?
Your ultimate driver politically is greed, or the freedom for greed to be set free from boundries.
Why would you get scruples about where it comes from? Because of 'innefficiency'?
[TW]Fox;20682386 said:
Of course he would, he pontificates greed on a near daily basis. Doesn't matter which avenue it comes through to the receipient, as long as it is more wealth it is of no concern.
Condensation of wealth is always at the expense of others, so how he gets a moral highground on this particular hypothetical shoots right past me.
[TW]Fox;20682386 said:
This just suggests you don't know me very well. My ultimate political driver is freedom, not greed.
The nature of public service in the UK means I would not feel comfortable working within it unless significant reforms were implemented, primarily around ensuring that people choose to use the service, not are forced to use/pay for it.
I wouldn't sacrifice that principle for a pay rise, it wouldn't be true to who I am.
Damn, someone else thought of my Christmas shopping plan.
Dolph, outside the internet people don't generally give a stuff who collects the trash. It doesn't matter and 9 out of 10 people wouldn't be interested in having a 'choice' of trash collection agencies. They just want the bins emptied.
You don't need choice for absolutely everything, ever.
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Read some Robert Nozick for an attempt to justify rampant greed and dumping over lots of people in the name of 'freedom'.
Freedom of greed. Nothing more nothing less.
It is your reason for political existance.
There is no choice aspect with parts of the state. You have to drop this monopoly of force garble, it works both ways.
Why do you work for an industry that holds the taxpayer to ransom like you accuse Union members? Hypocrisy much?
It is exactly who you are.
Oh I don't need to read much on it, just debate with Dolph for over a decade and you will be well versed.. "Taxation is theft"..."State monopoly of Force" - both concerted attacks on the very premise of the nation state. You don't get much more far right libertarian than him.
But you advocate a system that on the whole, the majority would have no interest in.
People want a choice of which television provider they use. People dont generally care who empties the dustbin or who provides the street lighting service, they simply want a dustbin thats empty once a week and a street light that turns on when its dark. They dont want to log onto 'CompareTheTrashman.com' to shop for the bin service that best suits the needs of the household.
Outside of the pages of theory, having a private organisation with a profit motive works for some industries, having a state run non-profit enterprise works for others.
Principles are one thing, cutting off your nose to spite your face another entirely
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I was refering to the beginning statement of your post:
My answer was, obviously I thought, levelled against that claim.
It has been stated previously that Government has had to borrow to pay wages and more. Most spending isn't ring fenced, trying to follow a £ through the system start to end is impossible.
It all depends on the flow and timing of money going to the Treasury.
[TW]Fox;20682472 said:
Bang on. The admin overheads of such a venture would likely wipe out any efficiency savings. I've got enough going on with other household utilities. Comparison shopping for street cleaning and removal is one step too far.
Where I live collaborative working between the local authorities is increasing as a result of being forced at gunpoint to find cost savings. Interestingly a lot of work is being taken back in-house as when a couple of councils bunch together it works out cheaper than the big companies that take on outsourcing deals. I'm sure similar things will apply in the other big cities like London.