Sometimes I'm ashamed to be British...

Ahleckz · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:50

Also high population density does not equal overcrowding.

dirtydog · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:51

krooton said:
Even if you break it down like that, Monaco, Vatican City, and San Marino have higher population densities.

That's why the articles say major countries. Not tiny island states etc.

dirtydog · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:52

Ahleckz said:
Also high population density does not equal overcrowding.

Erm yes it does funnily enough.

Biohazard · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:52

dirtydog said:
That's why the articles say major countries. Not tiny island states etc.

Doesn't suit your argument, you mean?

Burnsy2023 · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:52

Ahleckz said:
No it isn't. Source?

England is a country, but not an independent one. The UK is a country of countries rather uniquely.

dirtydog · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:52

Why do people deny the undeniable? We're overcrowded. There are too many immigrants here. People have too many children also, and we should stop paying them to do so.

Burnsy2023 · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:53

dirtydog said:
That's why the articles say major countries. Not tiny island states etc.

You're cherry picking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)

Ahleckz · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:54

dirtydog said:
That's why the articles say major countries. Not tiny island states etc.

Let's keep moving the goalposts to suit your argument eh?

dirtydog said:
Erm yes it does funnily enough.

No it doesn't. Overcrowding is a bad thing, high density isn't necessary a bad thing (it's often beneficial for a community).

Burnsy2023 · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:54

dirtydog said:
Why do people deny the undeniable? We're overcrowded. There are too many immigrants here. People have too many children also, and we should stop paying them to do so.

The evidence says otherwise. If anything we're not having enough children to support our aging population.

Biohazard · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:54

dirtydog said:
Why do people deny the undeniable? We're overcrowded. There are too many immigrants here. People have too many children also, and we should stop paying them to do so.

Gibberpants.

No we aren't. We don't have enough children according to you depending on how often you want to rant about immigrant birth rates.

Please try to tie your silly opinions together, they may not stand out like a sore thumb otherwise.

Ahleckz · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:54

Burnsy2023 said:
England is a country, but not an independent one. The UK is a country of countries rather uniquely.

I'm a bit offended that you feel the need to spell that out to me. I was referring to his second point.

Biohazard · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:55

COME ON DD SHOW US YOUR EVER FACTUAL ARGUMENTS!

Burnsy2023 · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:57

Ahleckz said:
I'm a bit offended that you feel the need to spell that out to me. I was referring to his second point.

Apologies, I though you were having a blond moment.

elmarko · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:57

Portsmouth has a really high population density, because it's close to France look at the map zomg.

OMG, this area down the road with 10 square miles of farmland has a population density of zero, let's start breeding people - we have nobody in the UK!

/Trollface

Jay794 · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:58

There's already a thread about the tram thing and I shall say the same thing I said in that thread. If you're a KKK member, keep it quiet on a train full of black people lol

Nitefly · 30 Nov 2011 at 15:59

Ahleckz said:
England isn't an independent nation. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Biohazard said:
England is not an independent nation state. You need UK figures.

Burnsy2023 said:
England is a country, but not an independent one. The UK is a country of countries rather uniquely.

Whilst I am obviously not advocating for DD's argument, I think his point stands to the extent that England does have a relatively high population density.

Biohazard · 30 Nov 2011 at 16:01

Nitefly said:
Whilst I am obviously not advocating for DD's argument, I think his point stands to the extent that England does have a relatively high population density.

That isn't what he said though, but thanks anyway..

dannyjo22 · 30 Nov 2011 at 16:01

steve-h said:

The Jacque Fresco interview he links to at the end of that youtube video, I watched a bit of it and have bookmarked it for when I have more time. Looks excellent.

Burnsy2023 · 30 Nov 2011 at 16:01

Nitefly said:
I think his point stands to the extent that England does have a relatively high population density.

Compared to what? This is the hole in his argument with all the cherry picking. You also need to then decide whether this is actually a problem at all. These small atolls and islands have high population density, is that a problem?

Wolfe777 · 30 Nov 2011 at 16:01

Are these people applying ridiculous semantics to a widely accepted statistic liberals or just faecitiously pedantic?

Genuinely hard to tell.

Citing Vatican City or Monaco as counterpoints to overcrowded countries is utterly banal and serves no purpose to this debate as they are both have utterly unique circumstances.

In Monaco's case it is crowded with millionaires, I'm pretty sure we'd welcome that kind of density if they were typical of your average immigrant. But they are usually the absolute opposite.

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