Muslim girl gang escape jail after judge hears 'they weren't used to drinking because of their relig

[D.P.]

However, if you said "Kill the black *******" while kicking Obama in the head repeatedly, you'd probably be shot and not even get to jail. The scenarios you describe are not comparable. Even if you were doing it to steal his beer.

So who do you think is lying about the explicit expression of an intent to kill during an attack that could have been fatal and in which the "race" of the victim was explicitly used as part of the expression of intent to kill? The victim or the reporters?

"I'm going to kill the white Dirtydog". Does that make me racist? Does that mean I actually want to kill him? The term "white" is used as an adjective and phrase to kill is not a literal truth. As much as I despise DD I don't want any harm to come of him.

You honestly think the sole reason for the Muslim women to attack was to try their hardest to kill the victim? I very much doubt it.

 

[asim18]

It isn't really clear at all. Put the biased Daily Mail BS aside and we see 4 pathetic women who happen to be Muslim attack another women who happened to be white.

Names were apparently called, but the attak doesn't seem racially motivated and there is no proof that it was, and this must be a contributign factor to the judges decison.

Just because the victim and assailants were of different skin colours means nothing in this case as far as I can see.

The excsue that they were Muslim and weren't experienced with alcohol does not appear to be evidenced by the Judge. And even if this was true, that doesn't make it racist attack.

Totally agree with this.

Just because someone shouted "Kill the white *****" or whatever during a drunken brawl, it does not mean it was a racially motivated attack.

If everyone involved was white, and one of them shouted "Kill the FAT *****" would that mean it was motivated due to her obesity? NO.

I'm not saying it's impossible for it to be racially motivated. But because they were all drunk it's more likely just a typical drunken brawl.

 

[Pighardia]

"I'm going to kill the white Dirtydog". Does that make me racist? Does that mean I actually want to kill him?

Are you kicking him in the head at the time?

I agree with you on the point that it might not necessarily be racially motivated, but if kicking someone in the head whilst they are on the floor shouting "kill her" isn't intent to kill i do not know what is!

 

[cheets64]

I just don't get this place, so the woman on the train was racially abusive yet these girl did nothing wrong in terms of racially abusing this girl.

Kick someone in the head shouting "white **** die" = Misunderstood girls
Sit on a train just voicing your opinions = Most evil woman in Britain

 

[Malevolence]

I have to say, it's nice to see Liberty and the myriad other race relations and equality organisations acting so expeditiously to condemn this vile racist attack.

 

[WingZero30]

What the hell was that guy doing in the video? He spent more time on the floor than he did lamping those ******* disgusting humans. Seriously, he can't even defend his girlfriend from three drunk women.

It is a crazy video!!

Seems like he was also being 'man-handled' by the girls!!

 

[dave_beast]

Just because someone shouted "Kill the white *****" or whatever during a drunken brawl, it does not mean it was a racially motivated attack.

Yes it does! Beyond reasonable doubt.

eg, if I was to walk up my street and call a Somalian something along the same lines, would I not be arrested and charged with a racist attack? If I then assaulted them whilst quoting said racist comment it would seal my fate.

 

[Pighardia]

I just don't get this place, so the woman on the train was racially abusive yet these girl did nothing wrong in terms of racially abusing this girl.

They were totally racist, but the attack wasn't necessarily racially motivated, we would have to know what happened before to know that surely?
As was said earlier, something must have happened beforehand for them to kick off like that and go straight for the woman

 

[D.P.]

Group of Somalian girls beat up and call white girl white ****. If she called them "brown skidmarks on society" is that still not racial motivation?

Open your eyes, or clean the crap out of them

Those are in no way comparable though. Calling someone a **** is not racist. Calling someone white/black/brow/blue/pink/violet is not racist. Calling someone a Torquiose **** is not racist, nor is calling someone a white **** necessarily racist. However, it could form part of racial abuse in a larger context but we don't know what else was said or why. Maybe the Muslim women gave out other verbal abuse, along the lines of ****/****/(female dog). these wouldn't be racial abuse terms. On the other hand if they spouted out bile such as "white witch", "white femaledog" and any derogratory terms explicitly about being white, then they would be clearly classed as racial abuse.

"brown skidmarks on society" is racist, as would be "white idiots are mutated recessive-genetic spawn of the devil". Generalisations over race and strongly derogatory.

 

[D.P.]

Are you kicking him in the head at the time?

I agree with you on the point that it might not necessarily be racially motivated, but if kicking someone in the head whilst they are on the floor shouting "kill her" isn't intent to kill i do not know what is!

It is extreme and horrid behaviour I agree. however, look how many drunken bar fights and street scraps will have such references like "Kill that ****", "I'm going to murder that ****". people say these things in fights all the time, doesn't mean they fully intend to kill somone. It is a horrible expression, not proof of attempted murder.

 

[Tefal]

On the other hand if they spouted out bile such as "white witch", "white femaledog" and any derogratory terms explicitly about being white, then they would be clearly classed as racial abuse.

James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said Ambaro Maxamed, who started the violence, had called Miss Page a 'white bitch' during the incident.

So you agree it was clearly racial abuse.

but why out of curiosity is "white ****" not racist but "white bitch" racist?

 

[D.P.]

Yes it does! Beyond reasonable doubt.

eg, if I was to walk up my street and call a Somalian something along the same lines, would I not be arrested and charged with a racist attack? If I then assaulted them whilst quoting said racist comment it would seal my fate.

That is not the same. The motive there would be racism, you went out of your way to cause arm to someone with race as the pure motivator. If you ended up in a bar fight with people who happeend to be black, that does not make it a racists attack.

 

[D.P.]

So you agree it was clearly racial abuse.

but why out of curiosity is "white ****" not racist but "white bitch" racist?

Nope.

Context is needed. Verbal abuse including an adjective describing skin colour does not make racial abuse. Furthermroe, even if racial langauge was used, that doesn't eman the attack was racially motivated. Maybe the victim called them names, stole money, knocked into them, who knows how the incident started.

 

[Tefal]

hang on you just said if they said "white femaledog" (i assume you mean bitch by this) it would be racist, yet now when told they did say white bitch it's not racist?

and the context was she was kicking her head in at the time.


in the video before the attack the victim doesn't so much as look at them until somthing is yelled by the attackers at the victim (who then turns around)


feel free to watch it.

 

[Pighardia]

It is extreme and horrid behaviour I agree. however, look how many drunken bar fights and street scraps will have such references like "Kill that ****", "I'm going to murder that ****". people say these things in fights all the time, doesn't mean they fully intend to kill somone. It is a horrible expression, not proof of attempted murder.

I'm sorry but i disagree, i think that the level of violence used should also be taken in to consideration, in this case kicking someone in the head whilst they lay on the floor is enough to potentially kill someone, i know that potentially 'any punch' could kill someone but people throwing punches in a street fight or similar is not as bad as the type of incident shown here. The level of violence + the comment "kill the white ****" = attempted murder imo.

 

[shuzzbutt]

should I buy an amd or nvidia gpu

 

[D.P.]

hang on you just said if they said "white femaledog" (i assume you mean bitch by this) it would be racist, yet now when told they did say white bitch it's not racist?

and the context was she was kicking her head in at the time.

No, I meant if a whole spiel of racially abuse terms were spouted then that would be racial abuse. But that doesn't mean the attack was racially motivated. And using white/black in an odd verbal absue does not automatically mean it was racially intended, simply descriptive of the person, like say you fat git, you big penis.


Maybe the women did give a load of racist remarks. I don't know, there is no proof. Even if they did, that does not eman the attack as racially motivated.

 

[Biohazard]

As far as I'm aware the law in both is the same, from what I recall it might be theoretically possible to argue diminished responsibility due to a temporary lack of capacity caused by drink or drugs but in actual caselaw the bar is set so high as to effectively rule out any possibility of success in such a claim (case law of Provan? the farmer who bought livestock while completely mullered and tried to get the contract set aside).

Isn't that more civil litigation rather than criminal?

 

[Tefal]

should I buy an amd or nvidia gpu

given you own an nvidia branded case i'd recommend nvidia unless you get this picture as a sticker for the case

 

[Tefal]

No, I meant if a whole spiel of racially abuse terms were spouted then that would be racial abuse.

so white **** and white bitch before the attack then followed by screaming kill the white **** during the attack isn't enough?

We were just minding our own business but they kept shouting "white bitch" and "white ****" at me.

out of curiosity what descriptions of a white person would you consider to be racist if yelled while kicking a white persons head in?