Another tram experience... 96 year old WW2 veteran beat by a black man, gets no jail time
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Imagine the following scenario:
You observe a 30 something year old man violently beating and kicking an 80+ year old elderly man.
You step in and try to stop the attack.
The 30ish year old man replies 'This scum was touching and verbally harassing my 14 year old daughter'.
What would you then do?
Having done karate for 7 years up to a resonably high standard, I know there are a lot of people out there that could punch someone faster than you or any police officer could possibly react, or even see the punch.
Also a normal average bystander would not be capable of reacting fast enough to stop a normal punch if they have no such training of their reflexes. Police officers will have had a reasonable amount of martial training to perhaps be able to do this, but an average bystander with no training at all wouldnt never be able to stop a punch against someone else before it happens. Hence the superman jokes I made earlier that you fail to understand.
You are the one that is completely wrong on this issue, but your ego will never admit nor realize it.
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I'd wager it's the first time he got caught.
Which is why people think they can do whatever they like, as others allow them to do so. If more people stood up to people who were aggressive and violent, either verbally or physically either toward themselves or more importantly others, then in all likelihood they would think twice about acting that way in the first place, which was the point I was making originally.
How do you propose to stop further violence without putting yourself in harms way?, although if enough people stood up against such people (like say a Tram full of people), the amount of potential harm would be reduced.
There you go again, with the snipy little commentary. Not all attacks are unprovoked or immediate....the vast majority are precipitated by verbal and gestures (provoked or not) that emphasis their aggressive attitude which in turn lead to violence, it doesn't take a genius to realise when someone is getting unacceptably aggressive and thus able to intervene prior to a violent escalation.
Very much agree with this, and I doubt I could walk past without intervening depending on the situation of course.
There is still always the doubt in your mind that you will be in the crap for helping out though.
It doesn't matter if the man was black or white, that shouldn't be the concern.
More to the point is how he beat a 96 year-old man to the ground for no reason and was allowed to walk out of the court house with a giant smug face despite beating a person who fought to protect the very system that has allowed him to do so.
If people want to jump on their merry high horse and quote me this and that about human rights or whatever but this man deserves no place in society, and that's regardless of his colour!
More to the point is how he beat a 96 year-old man to the ground for no reason and was allowed to walk out of the court house with a giant smug face despite beating a person who fought to protect the very system that has allowed him to do so.
If people want to jump on their merry high horse and quote me this and that about human rights or whatever but this man deserves no place in society, and that's regardless of his colour!
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Jesus look at the end of the video, the assailant is smirking at the camera.
Exactly, these days it's more likely you'll be the one getting charged for assault if you were helping someone in need.
Either that or the person you're trying to stop is carrying a knife or god forbid a gun, any which way your screwed.
**** world..
Yup, I once tried to stop a bloke laying into a guy in town outside a club, was drunk, guy was getting smacked, i jumped on the floor and tried to break it up and a girl came over and started digging her heel into one of the guys head, some more people helped and broke up the fight, scary stuff thinking back but I don't think I could ever walk on, maybe if it was 5 blokes laying into one guy I would try and calm them down or ring the police.
In some cases yes. In the case of how short a timeframe this tram incident would have occurred with the attacker trying to get off the train, I dont believe so.
Some people can simply attack others without getting aggressive first.
You can try and act as chivalrous or brave as you want, but I have always been taught time and time again - if you witness an attack, putting yourself in harms way is the worst thing to do.
Stop the man from attacking the Elderly Man and call the Police, who then could make the relevant enquiries to ascertain the truth of the situation. I certainly wouldn't allow a young able bodied man beat up an 80 year old regardless of his alleged justifications for doing so.
No doubt, and I haven't said anything different, however in the vast majority of assaults, it is not simply someone walking up and punching someone is it...it is precipitated by aggressive verbal and body language which is recognisable to most people, at this stage it is not too difficult to predispose that violence may arise and allow you to do something about it.
However, they would be perfectly capable of stopping it escalating any further and/or calling the Police and detaining the offender.
This had nothing to do with my ego at all, it is clear that you either misunderstood or are intentionally misrepresenting what I am saying....
Hey, watch it. Bhavv will be along in a minute to call you some names......
If more people took a stand, like you did then people would be less likely to attack others, or at least think about it twice.
It didnt escalate any further though, it was one punch and the victim at least fled, making getting any help for him even more difficult if it wasnt for the two kids that followed him.
Im not sure what the attacker did in that case, but in any case, trying to intervene or stop him on a moving tram is going to be even more difficult.
You are applying incorrect logic of other situations to a simple case of 'hit and run on a moving vehicle'.
I don't recall stating that people cannot simply do something out of the blue so to speak.
However, what was the exact timeframe?
It has nothing to do with chivalry, it has everything to do with doing what is right.
Agreed, but people don't, because:
- Media guttersnipes like the Daily Mail imprint fear upon us that everyone under 30 carries a knife.
- A lack of modern community spirit means we are weaker individuals.
- The law is viewed (whether rightly or wrongly) as protecting the criminal more than the victim.
It's interesting to note, though, that in this case at least some people did chase after the offender.
How did he run from a moving tram?......the report states that he waited after the attack until the tram reached the next stop and then got off...then the children (note not any of the adults on the tram) followed the offender and called the Police.
I have knowledge of a few cases where someone has assaulted another on a public vehicle and they have been detained by the public (and the driver) until the Police arrived.