NO PROBLEM, THAT AND THE SLANDER UPDATE, LIKE TO THINK I'M HELPING EDUCATE THE MASSES.
Another tram experience... 96 year old WW2 veteran beat by a black man, gets no jail time
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NO PROBLEM, THAT AND THE SLANDER UPDATE, LIKE TO THINK I'M HELPING EDUCATE THE MASSES.
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Fail.
To begin with, I did not discredit the source, I discredited your interpretation of that source by pointing out the actual conclusions made by that source which you chose to ignore and which supported my original statement, which remains unchanged and thus cannot be construed as changing the question(besides that I never asked a question, I made a statement)...I am also not flat out wrong as you put it as both the report you cited yourself and the following Home Office report both support my statement......
You asked for evidence, so I have some Home Office figures for you......
Ethnic Background...Estimated Number of Incidents...Risk of victimisation.
White.......................99,000.......................................<1%
Mixed Race................13,000.........................................4%
Asian........................59,000.........................................3%
Black........................22,000.........................................2%
Chinese/Other............13,000.........................................2%
source
This clearly shows that the risk of being a victim of a racist incident is vastly greater if you are of an ethnic minority (and remember that I also included bigotry against other minority groups, although the figures here only relate to racial incidents) then if you are not.
I would hope that you will accept that I was not wrong and following your own advice will concede that given the evidence shown from the Home Office statistics I was perfectly within my rights to make the statement you disputed.
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I can see this going around in circles for a while given you are both trying to use the same dataset to prove each other wrong, just one of you referring to the 'risk' figure and the other referring to the absolute number of incidents.
I wonder whose head will succumb to the wall first.
I wonder whose head will succumb to the wall first.
By the figures I have given even if we look at the combined absolute figures for ethnic minorities they are still larger than those purely for the White ethnic group.
Even the report and the authors of that report do not support Dirtydog's interpretation of the report he he cited....
This is actually more aimed at Dirtydog's claims rather than my statement as I was making a general statement as to the overall victims of racism and bigotry (i.e Prejudice) of minority groups, not only crimes against racial groups which Dirtydog seems to want to focus on.
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Indeed.
I accept that non whites may have a higher % risk of being a victim of a racist incident etc.
But then I never argued otherwise.
Castiel is the one who said that the absolute number of incidents was higher for non whites.
I simply pointed out that he is wrong about that.
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I'm not a mathematician but if you add up the ethnic minorities figures they are higher than whites so therefore Castiel is right -
99,000 white v 107,000 ethnic
Now when you take the % into account it gets worse.
Definitely 107,000 for non whites
99,000 white v 107,000 ethnic
Now when you take the % into account it gets worse.
Definitely 107,000 for non whites
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Yet I didn't actually say that...which has been pointed out various times, I was not refering to only criminally recorded incidents but overall....and if you add the reported Hate Crime Figures (48,127 for 2010) (being aware that the Race figures are already accounted for and not in addition to the relevant crime types) to account for my original statement including all minority groups and not just the racial ones then you see that I am not wrong at all, not to mention that according to the data supplied in the 2005 study I supplied the absolute number of crimes against ethnic minorities is also greater than that against the White ethnic group alone. This also doesn't account for what the report you cited stated you must consider when drawing conclusions from such figures.....
According to Stonewall it is the LGBT minority that are at most risk of hate crimes, with those that are both of ethnic and LGBT groups being twice as likely to be victim than non-ethnic LGBT groups......not to mention those groups such as Jews, who are also more likely to be victims of religiously motivated criminality and so on.
All things that I included in my original statement and not to mention that only half of such hate crimes are actually reported to the police by ethnic and other minorities for a myriad of reasons
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I have not changed anything whatsoever which was "the vast majority of racism and bigotry in general is aimed at ethnic minorities, and other minority groups".
I have merely supplied you with the evidence you requested to support my statement. I cannot be held responsible for your lack of understanding or what is more likely, you have been categorically proven wrong and simply wish to extricate yourself by default.
However you want to play it, however I stand by my statement, I feel that I have demonstrated why I think it is accurate and it is up to the other members to decide for themselves the veracity of it, continuing to flog it to death is becoming increasingly pointless and as such I leave it to others to decide who is right and who is wrong. My case, as they say....rests.
*besides, the wife is getting irritable and requires attention*
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even though it is a proven fact that most racist incidents are against whites, by non whites. Okay mate have a good evening
Where has that been proved?
Where has that been proved?
And round in circles we go lalalala
There has not been any substantial evidence put forward for your argument though? You haven't even answered my questions about what you presented?
You haven't validated your position at all, stop acting like a child.