Yeah but if, as I say, you did actually pirate it, what's the alternative? Get dragged through court and slapped with a silly huge fine based on how many people might theoretically have uploaded it from your torrent?
No Xmas cheer from CD projekt-pirates are getting legal letters now for Witcher2
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Yeah but if, as I say, you did actually pirate it, what's the alternative? Get dragged through court and slapped with a silly huge fine based on how many people might theoretically have uploaded it from your torrent?
That is not how the law works.
How do you explain armed robbery then?
Even if you pretend to have a gun, you get the walloped.
They do not ask you to pay back any money stolen and be on your way, the punishment is a deterrent.
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If it was me (not that I would pirate this game, I think its great they released it the way they did) I would just wait and hope nothing happened
In this case I'm sure that's what will end up happening, the publishers dont have the legal weight of the RIAA behind them.
I agree with the article. Like the say, the morals of piracy is not the debate. It is wrong, and most have done it at some point, but the way they are gonig about it is just as bad. dishing out letters because they think people have pirated it? Like said there are so many ways some one could be unintentionally framed.
Why should people only have to pay the vaule of the game.
While 900 is indeed a silly amount i feel that the value of the game is also too little. If they started doing this people would just pirate more and take there chances. So what if you get caught and have to pay the value of the game.
I hate a lot of DRM like most folk. i would way rather see no DRM and people getting fined £200. Cant afford the fine. Dont pirate the damn thing. Simple
While 900 is indeed a silly amount i feel that the value of the game is also too little. If they started doing this people would just pirate more and take there chances. So what if you get caught and have to pay the value of the game.
I hate a lot of DRM like most folk. i would way rather see no DRM and people getting fined £200. Cant afford the fine. Dont pirate the damn thing. Simple
More like bad journalism.
You could potentially be distributing that file to 17 other people.
So taking a random collection of IP addresses on a tracker as "proof", then getting people's personal details (people who may or may not have actually pirated the game) from ISPs is just fine now? An IP address alone is not a reliable method of identifying someone (spoofing, trackers inserting random IPs to protect their clients, etc). Perhaps you support these kind of Big Brother tactics, in which case it isn't worth my time debating with you.
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This. I have no sympathy for them. Why should they only pay the retail price? What sort of punishment and detergent is that?
I purchased Assassins Creed II for the PC back in 2010, which in itself was fine until I installed the game to my laptop and realised (I knew this anyhow but forgot about it) that the game had ridiculous DRM meaning without a net connection I couldn’t play the game… Fantastic when I was stuck on a hotel room where my mobile phone internet tethering failed to work.
Torrent search for a crack was in order for me when got back home, as darned if I was going to be denied access to a game I’d paid good money for whilst I was working away… I’ve also had the same with Steam titles or games purchased from Steam, if I don’t log into Steam with a valid net connection before I disconnect my laptop offline mode never works.
I ended up downloading an entire copy of Batman Arkham due to this, as I couldn’t get a no DVD crack to work with my Steam copy… It was very unfair I couldn’t play a game I’d purchased from a digital provider due to lack of internet connection if in a hotel room with a weak 3G connection.
So, I’ve cracked two games should I expect to be fined?
I'm just using this as an example as to why I've used torrents for games in the past... Although the witcher 2 is DRM free so no reason for downloading... But there are valid (maybe not moral??) reasons for some torrent downloads.
Torrent search for a crack was in order for me when got back home, as darned if I was going to be denied access to a game I’d paid good money for whilst I was working away… I’ve also had the same with Steam titles or games purchased from Steam, if I don’t log into Steam with a valid net connection before I disconnect my laptop offline mode never works.
I ended up downloading an entire copy of Batman Arkham due to this, as I couldn’t get a no DVD crack to work with my Steam copy… It was very unfair I couldn’t play a game I’d purchased from a digital provider due to lack of internet connection if in a hotel room with a weak 3G connection.
So, I’ve cracked two games should I expect to be fined?
I'm just using this as an example as to why I've used torrents for games in the past... Although the witcher 2 is DRM free so no reason for downloading... But there are valid (maybe not moral??) reasons for some torrent downloads.
I said BAD JOURNALISM.
Lets break down the quote
If you are reporting something, at least verify the facts to avoid any "apparently" scenarios.
They imply only users of Bit-Torrent are implied, LOL.
To those of you thinking this practice is somehow ok on some grounds you've conjured up, you're really missing what's actually going on here.
They're sending letters to people who's computers they 'think' have downloaded a small piece of the game online based entirely upon IP Addresses harvested from a Torrent swarm.
They have no evidence or proof of who did it, yet they're still demanding a huge sum of money from people in the exact same ludicrous and what should be illegal way that Davenport Lyons did some years back.
As with Davenport Lyons, they're also sending letters to people who don't play games, or have never even heard of The Witcher 2. But this is all ok right? Just because some people downloaded their game?
They're going to lose practically all of the good will they generated with their relatively sensible DRM policy when they released The Witcher 2. Now more people will download their games, more people will regret giving them money and more people will look away when their next big release comes out.
Scaring people into paying fines for things they may not have done is ridiculous and should not be allowed.
They're sending letters to people who's computers they 'think' have downloaded a small piece of the game online based entirely upon IP Addresses harvested from a Torrent swarm.
They have no evidence or proof of who did it, yet they're still demanding a huge sum of money from people in the exact same ludicrous and what should be illegal way that Davenport Lyons did some years back.
As with Davenport Lyons, they're also sending letters to people who don't play games, or have never even heard of The Witcher 2. But this is all ok right? Just because some people downloaded their game?
They're going to lose practically all of the good will they generated with their relatively sensible DRM policy when they released The Witcher 2. Now more people will download their games, more people will regret giving them money and more people will look away when their next big release comes out.
Scaring people into paying fines for things they may not have done is ridiculous and should not be allowed.
Problem with offline mode if you have any pending download on any product either updates/patches, DLC, etc. it will not go into offline mode without an internet connection even with stored credentials on that PC bit stupidly really. If you regularly use offline mode you might want to set everything to keep updated automatically :S
Back on topic there is no reliable way to track downloads to someone at this time - IPs are far from conclusive very easy for someone to get a digit wrong somewhere or a timestamp in the wrong format, etc. and even ISPs logging of them isn't 100% reliable - no one should be using them as the basis of legal action even civil let alone criminal. On the flipside I think anyone who pirates a game under these circumstances is scum, if there was stupid DRM, poor availability or completely greedy irrational pricing I could somewhat understand it.
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Yes but we aren't talking about all torrents are we? We are talking about Witcher 2, a game available with NO DRM, there is even a demo you can play on Gaikai so you dont even need a good pc to see if you like it. The fags who downloaded this game only did so because they wanted a free game and they have no moral leg to stand on.
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Should have played the legal demo then. If you can find a torrent you can find a demo.