Dinosaurs are not real :(
- Thread starter stoke1863
- Start date
I'm sure vonhelmet knows that there is a god.
How do you know that there isn't a god?
You dont need faith to believe in nothing.
The idea of it is highly improbable / illogical, and it hasnt ever been proven.
...and there we have it. A faith-based argument as flawed or as rational as one believing in a God
Soldato
- Joined
- 2 May 2011
- Posts
- 12,280
- Location
- Woking
I know there isn't a god because there was never any idea in my mind that there is a god. Do you believe in science or do you know it to be true when backed up by evidence?
Absence of faith is not atheism.
Atheism is active disbelief in God. Something you subscribe to. You believe there is no God, not based on empirical evidence, but on faith alone.
That doesn't answer the question though.
Soldato
- Joined
- 2 May 2011
- Posts
- 12,280
- Location
- Woking
...and there we have it. A faith-based argument as flawed or as rational as one believing in a God
You're not understanding, though, that I don't have to believe in anything in the first place...that's why athiesm isn't a belief. My knowledge that there is no god is based on scientific fact.
Soldato
- Joined
- 2 May 2011
- Posts
- 12,280
- Location
- Woking
No it's on the enormous absence of any evidence from the religious side.
No one here has even told me what a god is. How can I believe something with no definition?
It's implied in the sentence, it didn't need 'fixing'. It takes a belief that there is nothing. Also....for atheism you have to reject the idea of god/higher power/whatever*... so as I child you simply have no knowledge of it, so cannot possibly be an atheist. Hence... you 'believe' there is no god/higher power/whatever*
Agnostic is just not choosing either way.
* I had to include the word "whatever" because you are being pointlessly picky.
How is rejecting an idea based on any kind of faith?
So your "proof" that god doesn't exist is exactly the same as the "proof" a religious person has that god does exist.
I believe that science gives me a mechanism for predicting what will happen in certain circumstances. Even if the underlying mechanism is wrong that still makes it useful, i.e. Newtonian mavity is still useful despite the fact that we know it is wrong.
For me personally to believe in something I would need proof that I would accept or I would need to experience it myself. So as far as God goes, I do not believe in any form of diety that has so far been described to me. However, I cannot dismiss the idea that some form of diety may possibly exist because so far our understanding of the universe is incomplete.
So whilst I hold atheistic views towards the gods as so far described by man I would find myself holding an agnostic view as far as some form of diety existing.
Soldato
- Joined
- 2 May 2011
- Posts
- 12,280
- Location
- Woking
I think you make some valid points. The difficulty I'm having is that by saying "I don't believe in God" it implies that athiesm is a religion.
The immaculate Conception is a Catholic Dogma, and as such is what is termed an infallible teaching of the Church...however it is not referring to the conception of Christ as many seem to believe (partly my fault for not making myself clear earlier)...but that fact that Mary was conceived by her parents Joachim and Anne free from original sin by divine decree. The dogmatic belief was not an official tenet of the Catholic church until around the 18th Century although it was widely held since medieval times.
The Virginal Birth of Christ is an accepted and central tenet of Christianity of any denomination, and is also, contrary to what some have said here an accepted tenet of Islam. It basically states that Mary was a virgin at the time of conception and that the conception of Jesus was divinely inferred onto Mary by the infusion of the Holy Spirit...
This is a purely Faith driven belief, in that it requires a faith in the ability of God to circumvent his own Natural Law to initiate a Virginal Birth, and if you are a Christian it is not that difficult a concept to reconcile.
I hope that clears up the confusion and explains the difference between the two tenets, one is Catholic, the other is applicable to all Christian Faiths with some rare exceptions.
Last edited:
Atheism isn't a religion, but it is a belief and thus requires faith.
A religion is an organised faith structure. Atheists do not subscribe to one.
Actually you are right:
She must have been a turkey baster then
However, Islam does not state that Jesus was the son of God, nor that he had superpowers.
I cant agree that not believing in something requires faith.
Last edited: