All these Stats are for Americans, which is very different to the rest of the world. Secondly, you have to be very careful with the term scientist. I'm not sure why a poltical scientist has any great insight into the understanding of the universe.
When I first quoted the study early in the thread I did add the proviso that when comparing to Europe we would need to take the increased secularism in Europe into consideration.
As far as disciplines go, the study does differentiate between Natural and Social Scientists and the questions were put to members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science which is a reputable association which should not have any innate pro-religious stance amongst it's membership.
Another study makes much the same conclusions...
When asked their beliefs about God, nearly 34 percent of academic scientists answer “I do not believe in God” and about 30 percent answer “I do not know if there is a God and there is no way to find out,”....This means that over 60 percent of professors in these natural and social science disciplines describe themselves as either atheist or religiously agnostic.
we also have to be careful on how we frame the question and what definition and context we are putting on the question.
When asked “to what extent do you consider yourself a spiritual person?” about 66 percent of the natural scientists and about 69 percent of the social scientists describe themselves as spiritual. This means there is a population of scientists who say they have no religious affiliation but who do see spirituality as important. Indeed, about 39 percent of those without a current religious affiliation still consider themselves spiritual.
There is some truth to the perception that scientists and the academy are “godless.” Yet, to see the academy only from this monolithic view would overlook the significant numbers of scientists who do identify with some form of faith tradition (48 percent) as well as those who are interested in spirituality (about 68 percent). In addition, when we look at the religious backgrounds of scientists, the picture becomes more complicated. Scientists come disproportionately from irreligious backgrounds or backgrounds where a faith tradition was only nominally practised.
I would support the fact that Scientists are less likely to be religious and less likely to hold a belief in a particular definition of God, however that is some way from stating that Scientists are mostly Atheists or that as Bhavv keeps repeating that Intelligence leads to Atheism. Because the statistics simply do not hold those propositions to be true. I would (with some reservation) be more likely to agree with the statement that Increased Intelligence leads to Agnosticism.
As I said above, I know a lot of scientists and not one beleives in God to the ebst of my knowledge. Quite the contrary, they are mostly very outspoken against religion, the church, and beleifs in deities. While one might technically define them as agnostics because they all ccept thee is no proof eitherway, they have a strong understanding that there is no God. Just like you can't proove there is no flying pink elephants in space but can make the assumption that they don't exist but remain open to the infinitesimally small chance that theoreticaly they could because there is no definitive disproof.
This is interesting, because I too know a disproportionate amount of scientists (I live with two for a start) and when asked the question "Do you believe in God" invariably the answer is "By what definition" and rightly so.
If we look at your examples....If we define God as being the Flying Spaghetti Monster or A Pink Elephant in Space then we can determine a probable likelihood to some degree of certainty.....this is because the proposition has specific definitions as to what we are considering to be true....and as such the probability would lean toward an atheist position. On this I think we can agree.
However, if we defined God as being the Universe itself with, or even without, a sentience that we cannot currently determine then the probability is somewhat more difficult to ascertain...so the answer to the proposition would lean toward the agnostic position....we simply do not know.
This is the problem with trying to apply scientific methodology to an unfalsifiable proposition...so much depends on how that proposition is defined and how many assumptions can be made as to it's likelihood. This is why Science and by implication the professional opinion (as opposed to a personal opinion) of Scientists logically and rationally should follow an agnostic approach to the question "Is there a God".
This should be the default position until such time as a falsifiable definition of God can be universally applied.
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