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7970 specs revealed (Supposedly)

It has a TDP of 250W.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/12/15/ati-radeon-hd-6970-review/10

Basically, no, it doesn't have a TDP of 250W, the 580gtx is supposed to be 244W, yet its using 60W more than the 6970.

250W is the max with the +20% powertune option on to give you overhead for overclocking.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-6950-6970-review/3

190W TDP, the powertune isn't particularly, accurate shall we say, but the TDP is way less than some retarded sites listed it.

Half the sites managed to correctly list the rated TDP and some listed the max powertune TDP as well, idiot sites manage to only mention the 250W tdp.
 
PMSL at people thinking the 6970's consume 250w. If that was the case then the rest of my system only consumes 20w while playing crysis2 on maxed settings. :D
 
PMSL at people thinking the 6970's consume 250w. If that was the case then the rest of my system only consumes 20w while playing crysis2 on maxed settings. :D

Who cares about your system, do you even know what TDP is? :confused:


http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/12/15/ati-radeon-hd-6970-review/10

Basically, no, it doesn't have a TDP of 250W, the 580gtx is supposed to be 244W, yet its using 60W more than the 6970.

250W is the max with the +20% powertune option on to give you overhead for overclocking.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-6950-6970-review/3

190W TDP, the powertune isn't particularly, accurate shall we say, but the TDP is way less than some retarded sites listed it.

Half the sites managed to correctly list the rated TDP and some listed the max powertune TDP as well, idiot sites manage to only mention the 250W tdp.

TDP is for maximum board power, it's obvious that powertune options will be included because they are part of the design.

Calling sites like AnandTech retarded is actually retarded.

Bringing up gaming benchmarks shows your lack of understanding of TDP too or just obvious trolling since you brought up Nvidia to this discussion for some reason.
 
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Who cares about your system, do you even know what TDP is? :confused:




TDP is for maximum board power, it's obvious that powertune options will be included because they are part of the design.

Calling sites like AnandTech retarded is actually retarded.

Bringing up gaming benchmarks shows your lack of understanding of TDP too or just obvious trolling since you brought up Nvidia to this discussion for some reason.

I saw that too and facepalmed myself at the abject lack of understanding of what TDP is, but decided it wasn't worth the trouble... Kudos to you for taking the trouble.
 
TDP is not about direct power draw. It's basically the minimum required cooling power to keep the chip under junction temp under worst case scenarios.
 
Not necessarily worst case in the sense of absolute maximum either. But yeah. An engineering worst case which is a "probabilistic bad case"
 
Who cares about your system, do you even know what TDP is? :confused:




TDP is for maximum board power, it's obvious that powertune options will be included because they are part of the design.

Calling sites like AnandTech retarded is actually retarded.

Bringing up gaming benchmarks shows your lack of understanding of TDP too or just obvious trolling since you brought up Nvidia to this discussion for some reason.

No, you literally don't know what you're talking about, at stock, at default settings powertune is set to 0%, therefore you will not go past 200W.

The TDP on a 2500K is 95w, you can EASILY make one draw 200W, by changing the tdp in the bios and overclocking/overvolting, does that change the TDP no.

It's you who has no idea what he is talking about.

TDP on ANY product you find is whatever the hell the company wants TDP to be, in Nvidia's case, its often simply below average draw(was for the 480gtx, much closer to reality on the 580gtx).

Yet from the links shown, the 580gtx can draw over 300W max, yet its TDP is 244W.

TDP has, and WILL NEVER be the maximum current draw from the board, you will not find a single TDP on any product you can prove to fit your theory.

Bulldozers TDP is 125W, overclocked it can use 350W, 2600k, tdp 95W, overclocked can use over 200W, 580gtx tdp 244W, overclocked can use well beyond 350W, 6970 TDP 190W, overclocked, can use over 300W.

Also, you mention trolling because I mentioned the 580gtx? its pretty simple the LINK I SHOWED clearly showed a 244W TDP card, using 60W MORE than what someone in this thread claimed was a 250W TDP 6970. But I'm trolling because a review site that shows the 6970 powerdraw in a graph also included the 580gtx, and talking about the graph and mentioning a card with an actual TDP at(basically) 250W, is irrelevant to the discussion? Sorry, next time I'll find a review site comparing the 6970 power draw, to an overclocked Bulldozer or 2600k....... just so I don't mention Nvidia........

Neither of you seemingly has a damned clue what TDP is.

No company, not a one rates TDP for usage OUTSIDE OF STOCK, no company does, nor should. STOCK settings WITHOUT raising the TDP using powertune, the card is 190W, it is as simple as that, you can not argue otherwise, it is simple fact.

With powertune at 0%, TDP will not hit 250W, ever, it will throttle, this is part of the design of the card.

Likewise yes, Anandtech ARE completely retarded, why, to get their furmark scores they used powertune set to max....... but did not disable the 580gtx throttling for Furmark, then made some epically ridiculous claim that power usage is shown to be 250W.
 
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No, you literally don't know what you're talking about, at stock, at default settings powertune is set to 0%, therefore you will not go past 200W.

That doesn't imply that TDP of the card is not higher? :confused:
The TDP on a 2500K is 95w, you can EASILY make one draw 200W, by changing the tdp in the bios and overclocking/overvolting, does that change the TDP no.

TDP for CPUs will always be lower than their maximum power draw, with graphics cards peak power draw will be around TDP.

It's you who has no idea what he is talking about.

OK.

TDP on ANY product you find is whatever the hell the company wants TDP to be, in Nvidia's case, its often simply below average draw(was for the 480gtx, much closer to reality on the 580gtx).

Below average draw? I doubt it. It's calculated for the peak normal load, round up, down, I don't know.

Yet from the links shown, the 580gtx can draw over 300W max, yet its TDP is 244W.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU11/233

It can draw more in Furmark but it is not a normal case scenario. It has been proven time and time again with both Nvidia and ATI (yes, I'm talking about good ol' 4800 and below) that TDP has no direct relevance to Furmark's power draw.

Or maybe we should just quote normal working scenarios like Crysis to prove our claims?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU11/229

It's clear that the GTX580 uses 50W more than Radeon 6970 under load but it's not any more relevant to this thread nonetheless.

TDP has, and WILL NEVER be the maximum current draw from the board, you will not find a single TDP on any product you can prove to fit your theory.

OK boss, tell us what it is. Or will you still confuse it for use even more so that nobody is able to give a credible answer?

Bulldozers TDP is 125W, overclocked it can use 350W, 2600k, tdp 95W, overclocked can use over 200W, 580gtx tdp 244W, overclocked can use well beyond 350W, 6970 TDP 190W, overclocked, can use over 300W.

Overclocked? Who's talking about overclocked cards, these are not normal working operations for them. And why the hell are you quoting CPUs' power draw to prove your point? :confused:

Also, you mention trolling because I mentioned the 580gtx? its pretty simple the LINK I SHOWED clearly showed a 244W TDP card, using 60W MORE than what someone in this thread claimed was a 250W TDP 6970. But I'm trolling because a review site that shows the 6970 powerdraw in a graph also included the 580gtx, and talking about the graph and mentioning a card with an actual TDP at(basically) 250W, is irrelevant to the discussion? Sorry, next time I'll find a review site comparing the 6970 power draw, to an overclocked Bulldozer or 2600k....... just so I don't mention Nvidia........

Why do I call it trolling? Because it's irrelevant to the subject. It's clear that companies like Nvidia and AMD (and Intel, if we're on the subject of CPUs too already) have different ways of measuring these figures - TDP are guidelines for manufacturers to supply cards with sufficient cooling and it's a rough figure that will give you a clue on the peak power draw of the component (and moreover, heat dissipation), not an average or anything like that.

To simply put it, Nvidia's guidelines are irrelevant in the thread about Radeon 7970s.

Neither of you seemingly has a damned clue what TDP is.

And YOU do? You haven't defined it even ONCE in your walls of text and yet you claim the right to slate others for what they say. Shows how much respect you have towards other posters here.

No company, not a one rates TDP for usage OUTSIDE OF STOCK, no company does, nor should. STOCK settings WITHOUT raising the TDP using powertune, the card is 190W, it is as simple as that, you can not argue otherwise, it is simple fact.

And what exactly does that prove? That the card has lower TDP than 250W or that it depends on whether you include PowerTune as the part of its original design (which it is)?

With powertune at 0%, TDP will not hit 250W, ever, it will throttle, this is part of the design of the card.

Nobody said it would be PowerTune is a standard feature of the board and I guess AMD calculated their TDP to fit it this way.



Likewise yes, Anandtech ARE completely retarded, why, to get their furmark scores they used powertune set to max....... but did not disable the 580gtx throttling for Furmark, then made some epically ridiculous claim that power usage is shown to be 250W.

I'm not sure where you've seen these benchmarks as the specific bit I posted was relevant to what I said - not claims that GeForce GTX 580 has TDP equaly to its power consumption under Furmark? :confused:

I love your walls of text. Or not, I don't really. It's annoying that you can't have a normal conversation with brief and to the point posts but rather go around the subject, bring up Nvidia (that isn't being discussed by anyone but you), claim that you know better (even though you never cite your claims with anything but other walls of text) and confuse the hell out of me by bringing up CPUs into the discussion about graphics cards.

I don't know what happened to Graphics Cards forum lately, I don't wonder here very often like I used to do but it seems like this, and a few other, subforum lost a lot of its credibility. Possibly even more worthwhile posters.
 
Also, the clue is in the name. It's Thermal Design Power.

I don't know how he manages to confuse it.

I knowwww. And then writes a huge post ranting a lot in the first 80% of that post and then makes a statement in about 5 lines at the end which simply does not follow from the preceding argument -- ignoratio elenchi. In other words: fluff. he pads his text to seem more knowledgeable than he is by stating a lot of random irrelevant stuff which is all the more annoying to wade through.

IF I did the same and tried to sound impressive:
"Shor's algorithm is asymptotically faster on very large prime factorisation in polynomial time below Bounded-Quantum Polynomial Time. The RLC circuit is easier to solve in the frequency domain with transformed impedances. An inverse laplace transform will yield the time domain result. Therefore the Radeon 7970 should have 50% less power draw and 30% more performance."

Precisely the form all his arguments take :/
 
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As for not defining TDP, that is one of your arguments, is that serious? Do I have to show you the mathematical proofs to state that mavity is approximately 9.8ms^2? No, I don't, the TDP on the 6970 is 190W, the definition of TDP is irrelevant to the argument and the acronym TDP IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF IT ALREADY.

Can you see this, can you comprehend, do I have to show mathematical proofs....... to state a simple fact........... can you really not comprehend that?
 
Just another day in "Graphics cards".
I have DM on ignore, but "TDP" isn't "power draw", or at least, I've always thought that?

Although, that's not to say the "TDP" and "power draw", won't be similar in the figure.

That's not me budging into any pointless argument, just wanting some clarification etc on the terms.
And of course I'm talking about stock.
 
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Never try to argue, or reason with, an idiot on the internet.

They will simply drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.
 
Never try to argue, or reason with, an idiot on the internet.

They will simply drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.

I think that's very good advice and I'd love to take it... But somehow this particular one on the internet annoys me to an extreme degree.
 
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