Is Harry Potter against/anti religion?

At the end of the day the bible is just a story book the same as harry potter is. maybe in 2000 years people will believe in him like they believe in Jesus :p
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Sorry, this statement of Castiel's was the one I took issue with, not yours. But you're arguing that we should allow the Catholic church to do what they do because they are human beings? There was no human error in denying Catholics contraceptives, it is just wrong. Do you dispute, then, that people who have HIV or AIDS should use contraceptives to prevent the spread of disease?
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Live and let live is my personal statement.....and one that you seem to not understand.

It doesnt say Kill or injure and I'll accept your right to so......it states....if you allow me to live and others to live as we choose, then we should allow you to do the same.

That doesnt imply that you can go around removing others rights or choices without me opposing you.


As for the Catholic stance on contraception in Africa.....to begin with it is widely contested within the Catholic Church itself but more importantly is what they are saying in full.....


They are stating that people should astain from sex outside of Marriage and without the express intention of having Children.....AIDS is primarliy a sexually transmitted disease, thus, if people are following what the Catholic Church are preaching (which by your acceptance that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for the lack of condom use as you believe) then they should not be having sex at all.......can you explain how, if people are following what the Catholic Church are preaching and abstaining from intercourse, how is AIDS spreading?


Personally I do not agree with the Holy See's stance on contraception....and neither do an awful lot of Catholic missions in Africa who councel the use of condoms...

The Vatican is being anachronistic in it's refusal to accept the use of condoms in AIDS ridden subsaharan Africa, I don't accept that the Church cannot change it's stance either as the encyclical Humane Vitae, 40 years ago proves, the Catholic Church is capable of altering it's moral stance on contraception.

As Cardinal of Brussels said,

"Someone who is infected with the HIV virus, and decides to have sex with an uninfected person, has to protect his partner by using a condom" almost all Western and European Cardinals working in Africa agree with him.

Not all Catholicism agrees with the Vatican, even the Pope....


Read the following link to get a better idea of what Catholics are really saying, rather than what you think they are:

http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/topics/hivaids/bishopssupportcondoms.asp


Bishop Dowling, in an interview about HIV/AIDS prevention and treatment in South Africa said, "Abstinence before marriage and faithfulness in a marriage is beyond the realm of possibility here.* The issue is to protect life. That must be our fundamental goal."* Drawing attention to the especially difficult plight of women in the traditionally male-dominated societies of his diocese he continued, "My passion is for the women.* I'm in that corner." About the African people, he says, "They must use condoms," maintaining his stance despite the Vatican’s continued opposition to such a policy.
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Following the release of a report showing that among all religious people, Catholics are the most supportive of the use of condoms for contraception and preventing sexually transmitted diseases, Mombassa Archbishop Boniface Lele said, “With some counseling—and this is something we don’t tell everyone—you can ask couples to use condoms, so that the rate of reinfection goes down.”
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The Vatican’s spokesperson, Rev. Federico Lombardi, said: “I personally asked the pope if there was a serious, important problem in the choice of the masculine over the feminine. He told me no. The problem is this ... It’s the first step of taking responsibility, of taking into consideration the risk of the life of another with whom you have a relationship. This is if you’re a woman, a man, or a transsexual. We’re at the same point.”
Nick Squires, “Women and men can use condoms to protect themselves from Aids, Vatican says,”
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The Bible mentions magic and witchcraft existing and that it's evil.

Also, **** religion in it's ***. It's a relic of the past and needs to die. Simply abolishing religion won't work, but hopefully the gradual decline will help us shift to a superior way of living, assuming it doesn't kill us all by then. The sooner we get rid of the superstition, fear


Edit: Vid doesn't seem to be working. :(

http://youtu.be/RviMdf7gng4
 
ringo747 said:
Because your post is the 2nd most retarded post! Everyone in the world who follows some sort of religion should give it up because some guy in the UK says so? What would you suggest as an alternative? Are people just meant to leave whatever their faith is just because 'it's the 21st century now'.
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I wouldn't say we're there yet, there are still a lot of questions unanswered (many that will likely always remain so) that people answer with religion. Religion and less specifically "faith" essentially fills holes in peoples understanding, or in some cases provides an answer they'd prefer. To provide comfort, meaning or just stem the feeling of insignificance in the scale of the universe.

The more people understand, the less reason there is for religion, but it's an individual decision. It's a fairly logical thing to try and piece together unanswered questions to be answered by the same thing, which is why I don't hold anyones beliefs against them. Personally I'm happy to say I don't know about those questions, and thus have no reason for religious beliefs.

While I think "faith" is a reasonable thing to have, it seems religion often isn't, like anything it's open to corruption and that corruption is the main problem I have with it, tv evangelists, religious terrorists, sectarian violence. None of it comes from any real feeling of "faith" but it parades under the banner of religion.

The personal level that I think faith should have makes it difficult for me to be comfortable with parental guided religion or religious censorship
 
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dirtychinchilla said:
Sorry, this statement of Castiel's was the one I took issue with, not yours. But you're arguing that we should allow the Catholic church to do what they do because they are human beings? There was no human error in denying Catholics contraceptives, it is just wrong. Do you dispute, then, that people who have HIV or AIDS should use contraceptives to prevent the spread of disease?
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I think it is completely false to say that the catholic church is "wrong" to ban contraception. Why do you think you should be able to impose you beliefs on them?
It is a question of conscience, if they believe it is sinful to use contraception, then how can they possibly preach that it is ok? This is not like a politician or executive weighing up costs/ benefits of a particular policy.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Right... Christian viewpoint...

The Bible does mention sorcery, withcraft, magic, etc, and it's not keen on them. You shall not suffer a witch to live, etc.

However... It's a work of fiction, and a highly moral one at that. So long as kids understand that the magic involved is fictional, then there are plenty of lessons to be learnt there that are far more valuable than any panic about the magic involved.
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It's a little unclear, is your last paragraph talking about HP, or the bible?
 
Usher said:
Define teaching your kids the truth
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Truth is subjective to the observer....


On that note, I have a lot to do today rather than going over the same old arguments yet again..it being Christmas and all.....so I shall leave all the religion baiting and hating to those that take pleasure in it and bid you all a Merry Christmas........I'm sure the irony isn't lost on everyone.
 
ringo747 said:
A story book in which many of the contents are backed up by other historical writers?
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Large amounts of Sherlock Holmes could be backed up by historical writers, it's based in a real setting, compiling tidbits of true stories about different people and assigning them to a character based loosely on a couple of real people.

The bible is a book of fables outlining a moral code, to think otherwise is largely foolish, regardless of religious belief. Personally I think some of the lowest forms of religion are those who take specific wordings from the bible literally, ridiculous considering the amount of translations it has been through and the various agendas that have been applied at each translation.
 
King Damager said:
Because I'm so fed up of this, despite enjoying making the occasional catholic joke....

I refer all people who say that the Pope says that you can't use condoms to the following news article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/pope-benedict-condoms-hiv-infection

Basically. Pope Benedict says that using Condoms to stop the spread of HIV is perfectly acceptable...

kd
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If you read my post again man I stated that I was referring to the past. The current pope has made a better decision and a very sensible one.

Castiel, I'll reply to what you said a bit later. You've made some interesting points there though, a lot of stuff that I didn't know. You've not yet changed my mind though and the catholic church are definitely at fault here.

Edwardteach, you think it's wrong for me to say something's wrong?? It is a question of conscience, yes, but one with a very blatant solution. Whether they believe it's sinful or not, it kills people and surely that is "wrong"?
 
Castiel said:
Exactly.


Merry Christmas kd...
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Indeed.

Thanks and merry Christmas to you too :)

dirtychinchilla said:
If you read my post again man I stated that I was referring to the past. The current pope has made a better decision and a very sensible one.
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True, in the past it has had issues. But the approval by Benedict was quite well publicised. Whilst I don't agree with what happened in the past you have to accept that they're trying to change stuff. E.G. We don't say that everything SA stands for is wrong because they once had apartheid. I'm not saying that Benedict is making changes for the better anywhere near as much as Mandela, but it's starting to move in the right direction and people's opinions should be able to change with this.

kd
 
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EdwardTeach said:
I think it is completely false to say that the catholic church is "wrong" to ban contraception. Why do you think you should be able to impose you beliefs on them?
It is a question of conscience, if they believe it is sinful to use contraception, then how can they possibly preach that it is ok? This is not like a politician or executive weighing up costs/ benefits of a particular policy.
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First off they're imposing their beliefs by actively banning something, allowing something to be used (but not making it mandatory) is not the same thing.

Secondly, endangering lives with misinformation is tantamount to manslaughter or at the least, reckless endangerment.

“Use of this product is harmful to health.” - Archbishop Norberto Rivera Carrera

"…Condoms may even be one of the main reasons for the spread of HIV-AIDS.” - statement issued by the bishops of South Africa

"..cardinals, bishops, priests and nuns in four continents are saying HIV can pass through tiny holes in condoms. " - BBC/Panorama

King Damager said:
Because I'm so fed up of this, despite enjoying making the occasional catholic joke....

I refer all people who say that the Pope says that you can't use condoms to the following news article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/pope-benedict-condoms-hiv-infection

Basically. Pope Benedict says that using Condoms to stop the spread of HIV is perfectly acceptable...

kd
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So the voice of an infallible god on Earth was wrong? Fancy that.
 
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King Damager said:
Because I'm so fed up of this, despite enjoying making the occasional catholic joke....

I refer all people who say that the Pope says that you can't use condoms to the following news article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/pope-benedict-condoms-hiv-infection

Basically. Pope Benedict says that using Condoms to stop the spread of HIV is perfectly acceptable...

kd
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So all the previous statements (horrible Catholic lies) are now wrong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kuzYwzGoXw
 
King Damager said:
Because I'm so fed up of this, despite enjoying making the occasional catholic joke....

I refer all people who say that the Pope says that you can't use condoms to the following news article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/pope-benedict-condoms-hiv-infection

Basically. Pope Benedict says that using Condoms to stop the spread of HIV is perfectly acceptable
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Gotta stop those little choir boys getting STD's, can't have the Catholic Church looking any worse than they already do
 
King Damager said:
Because I'm so fed up of this, despite enjoying making the occasional catholic joke....

I refer all people who say that the Pope says that you can't use condoms to the following news article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/pope-benedict-condoms-hiv-infection

Basically. Pope Benedict says that using Condoms to stop the spread of HIV is perfectly acceptable...

kd
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A very recent turnaround, the message of which is still being stifled by the areas that most desperately need to hear it, if CTs are to be believed, stifled by the vatican.

There is a very definite connection between the catholic churches opinions on contraception and the HIV epedemic in Africa, changing their mind in the last year hardly undoes that damage that has been done, especially when it's only buckling under public pressure.
 
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