http://www.fudzilla.com/component/k2/item/25503-jensen-on-kepler
Not a lot of info, but a tid-bit...
Not a lot of info, but a tid-bit...
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Jen Hsun on Kepler (CES 2012)
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Hahahhaha that's what I thought when I first read this. And then realised how desperate that is. Hate to say it but I think late Q1 is a best case now. Q2 is looking more likely. Perhaps I should get a second 580
I think you can read into what you will. One way, is that nVidia believe that Fermi still competes favourably with 7970, and they don't want to force prices down by releasing something new. Depends on whether you're a glass half full person or not I suppose...
Found this too about "leaked" Kepler specs, not sure about it's authenticity: http://wccftech.com/alleged-nvidia-geforce-gk104-kepler-specifications-leaked/
Found this too about "leaked" Kepler specs, not sure about it's authenticity: http://wccftech.com/alleged-nvidia-geforce-gk104-kepler-specifications-leaked/
Yeah I posted that from the source on the Kepler leaked benchmarks thread yesterday
LOoks very reasonable. I always maintained a 660/760 part would match the 580, so there's a bit of confirmation bias going on when I look at that
LOoks very reasonable. I always maintained a 660/760 part would match the 580, so there's a bit of confirmation bias going on when I look at that
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Well they may also have something really good up their sleeves and not wanting to give it away to AMD, giving it away only makes AMD get ready a card that can match or beat it, as we see the 7970 overclocks very well and nothing stops AMD bringing out a super overclocked version with more shaders enabled to match or beat Nvidias card if of couse Nvidias card is not that great to start with and only a little faster then a 7970. We have to wait and see. Nvidia did the same trick with the GTX 580 catching AMD off guard.
Probably the case or AMD have surprised them and they have decided to rework their design to be a lot better/ faster then the 7970. Hate to see their prices when they come out if that is the case.
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I thought it was widely known that Kepler isn't due until Q3 of this year, which is... July or August?
I'm pretty sure Nvidia's own slides have said as much.
I'm pretty sure Nvidia's own slides have said as much.
Yup this is my understanding regarding when the GTX 780 will be out or even close to Q4.
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to be fair there's been all sorts of rumours flying around, some people adamant that the first kepler release would be the top one and yet that slide that shows nvidia are planning to release the low end first and build up to the 780
given how true that seems to be panning out as, I'm just going to pick up another 580 3GB as soon as I spot one for a cheap enough price... or I do have a friend coming over from the US later this month... I would get a 7970 apart from a deep seated mistrust over AMD's crossfire driver support
given how true that seems to be panning out as, I'm just going to pick up another 580 3GB as soon as I spot one for a cheap enough price... or I do have a friend coming over from the US later this month... I would get a 7970 apart from a deep seated mistrust over AMD's crossfire driver support
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Kepler is misleading, usually you launch the big parts first. It looks for the world that kepler's "launch" will be GK107 chips, which are anything but high end. When GK104 might appear, is complete guesswork, there hasn't been any information on concrete dates the only thing I see is a couple questionable sites taking "kepler maybe in Q1" to mean the high end when almost every even half reputable site doesn't think that will happen.
The solid rumour that has been fairly solid for months is, Q1 maybe low end Kepler and that could easily slip to Q2, GK104 maybe Q2 but quite easily slip to Q3 and the high end is now looking like Q3 at the earliest but not very likely.
Business decision to not show off their "new" architecture at a tradeshow, yes, its bad business to come to a trade show to show off a card that while a new architecture, is probably 1/10th the speed of their top end last gen part. There's a reason low end often launch quietly with zero fanfare to OEM only products for a while, they just aren't exciting and making a huge song and dance about a tiny thing that can't beat gpu's that came out 5 years ago would just make Nvidia look desperate.
Basically no one has a damn clue, have Nvidia dropped hotclocks, if they have is it a move to increase power efficiency, or was it forced on them as they realised a hotclock card on 28nm simply wouldn't work. Who knows, it could be a planned for years move that is great for them, or a disaster forced on them due to the new process, or anything in between. That obviously assumes the hotclocks have been dropped, they might well not have been.
The solid rumour that has been fairly solid for months is, Q1 maybe low end Kepler and that could easily slip to Q2, GK104 maybe Q2 but quite easily slip to Q3 and the high end is now looking like Q3 at the earliest but not very likely.
Business decision to not show off their "new" architecture at a tradeshow, yes, its bad business to come to a trade show to show off a card that while a new architecture, is probably 1/10th the speed of their top end last gen part. There's a reason low end often launch quietly with zero fanfare to OEM only products for a while, they just aren't exciting and making a huge song and dance about a tiny thing that can't beat gpu's that came out 5 years ago would just make Nvidia look desperate.
Basically no one has a damn clue, have Nvidia dropped hotclocks, if they have is it a move to increase power efficiency, or was it forced on them as they realised a hotclock card on 28nm simply wouldn't work. Who knows, it could be a planned for years move that is great for them, or a disaster forced on them due to the new process, or anything in between. That obviously assumes the hotclocks have been dropped, they might well not have been.
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AMD went for a mid range card for their first 40nm card, mainly to test the waters.
It might be a purely business decision on Nvidia's part to perhaps dampen the enthusiasm for Ivy Bridge's IGP which is looking quite strong in the entry level range.
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As I mentioned in the other Kepler thread,Kyle Bennett from HardOCP says he has heard June as the release date:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038244306&postcount=6
Perhaps for mobile,although reviews would have to confirm that. However,for desktop, no. Most desktop parts will have the HD2500 IGP.To put into context the IGP on a £50 Llano CPU is faster than the HD3000 IGP in a Core i3 2105.
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038244306&postcount=6
Perhaps for mobile,although reviews would have to confirm that. However,for desktop, no. Most desktop parts will have the HD2500 IGP.To put into context the IGP on a £50 Llano CPU is faster than the HD3000 IGP in a Core i3 2105.
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That's exactly all AMD had until just before Christmas.
edit: If the graphs linked are true, the GTX 560 replacement should be almost as fast as the 7970. This would make the GTX 580 replacement pasrt significantly faster than the 7900's (even taking into account some pretty extreme 7900 overclocking). The biggest question is when will they arrive? My guess is Q2.
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Just been chatting with one of the guys from AMD, and they believe they'll have the "fastest GPU" crown for some time, possibly even into late Q3...
...of course this could just be AMD being bullish.
Sorry...ninja edit. Apparently though, nVidia might have something low cost on the 28nm process not too far up their sleeves. If true this would support the rumour that they may choose to launch in the mid range first.
...of course this could just be AMD being bullish.
Sorry...ninja edit. Apparently though, nVidia might have something low cost on the 28nm process not too far up their sleeves. If true this would support the rumour that they may choose to launch in the mid range first.