£106k per year council house

[Conanius]

this is simple.

If you need a house off the council, no worries. Its only supposed to be temporary, so a 2 bed flat will do nicely. Need something bigger because you chose to have children? Your problem.

The whole benefits system is totally screwed, people should NOT get money, but should get coupons to pay for gas, electric and food and other ESSENTIALS.

Benefits should be a temporary period, NOT over such a period whereby you are buying TV's from bright house, mobile phones from cash convertors, 50MB Broadband,cars from yes car credit etc are being paid for.... Don't even get me started on benefits being used to fund peoples social habits or smoking addictions. Why the hell should tax money I've worked bloody hard to get support that?

The whole system needs total reform, like, blank sheet of paper reform. People should be helped back on their feet, and as soon as they are back into stable employment, deal with life themselves. The system is totally screwed and in my eyes encourages the current behaviours and creates this underclass.

 

[Things change I've changed]

this is simple.

If you need a house off the council, no worries. Its only supposed to be temporary, so a 2 bed flat will do nicely. Need something bigger because you chose to have children? Your problem.

The whole benefits system is totally screwed, people should NOT get money, but should get coupons to pay for gas, electric and food and other ESSENTIALS.

Benefits should be a temporary period, NOT over such a period whereby you are buying TV's from bright house, mobile phones from cash convertors, 50MB Broadband,cars from yes car credit etc are being paid for.... Don't even get me started on benefits being used to fund peoples social habits or smoking addictions. Why the hell should tax money I've worked bloody hard to get support that?

The whole system needs total reform, like, blank sheet of paper reform. People should be helped back on their feet, and as soon as they are back into stable employment, deal with life themselves. The system is totally screwed and in my eyes encourages the current behaviours and creates this underclass.

But like I've said already in this thread some places like Cornwall the majority of people working full time still don't have enough money to live because of rent prices, so even working full time they still need benefits, a large part of the problem is the cost of rent, how can benefits only be a temporary measure when practically a whole county need benefits to survive due to rent hikes?

I'm ******* tired of these landlords owning multiple properties raking in thousands a month because it was easier to get on the property ladder back in their day, the current generation is screwed when in comes to owning your own home or finding somewhere cheap to live, you shouldn't need extra benefits on a full time minimum wage job, to me that is plenty enough money to survive but the rent takes all your earnings, this imo is one of the biggest problems atm, what we need is millions of more social housing, atm the private sector can charge what they like, there's no competition out there, people are desperate.

 

[Agent_Smith357]

Prehaps we should move all the poor's to some sort of "employment" ghetto.

 

[Things change I've changed]

Prehaps we should move all the poor's to some sort of "employment" ghetto.

You mean a "Sanctuary District"?, like from the DS9 Episode 'Past Tense'?, that was actually a pretty good double episode, part of me could actually see that happening one day, hopefully there be a Gabriel Bell to save us

 

[aproctor]

one would need to be taking home atleast £1k a week to rent @ £500 p/w. ridiculous.

i often wonder what goes through the heads of the housing benefits staff when they allow these claims? i know they can do nothing about it but it must pee them off a little...

It annoys them a lot but every step is heavily regulated.

To be honest if they capped rents any less in one fell swoop it would cost more to house the homeless families and introduce criminal elements.

IMHO removing the right for the long term unemployed (5+ years) to live where they want would help.

 

[ethan]

No details of the circumstances of the families involved were available with the figures.

Yet they were labelled scroungers?

Lol In any event they are for the large part extreme examples from a poor excuse of a newspaper with no other mandate but to stoke up resentment between peoples of different communities in difficult times. God almost every day they are having a go at someone or something at the expense of somebody else.

 

[marmalade]

Prehaps we should move all the poor's to some sort of "employment" ghetto.

The Falkland Islands !

 

[Conanius]

But like I've said already in this thread some places like Cornwall the majority of people working full time still don't have enough money to live because of rent prices, so even working full time they still need benefits, a large part of the problem is the cost of rent, how can benefits only be a temporary measure when practically a whole county need benefits to survive due to rent hikes?

I'm ******* tired of these landlords owning multiple properties raking in thousands a month because it was easier to get on the property ladder back in their day, the current generation is screwed when in comes to owning your own home or finding somewhere cheap to live, you shouldn't need extra benefits on a full time minimum wage job, to me that is plenty enough money to survive but the rent takes all your earnings, this imo is one of the biggest problems atm, what we need is millions of more social housing, atm the private sector can charge what they like, there's no competition out there, people are desperate.

So do what I did, move away to get a job elsewhere where you can earn more money....

I don't get this whole 'we need benefits to survive nonsense'. Sure, if you work at Tesco's stacking shelves you cant afford a 50"LED TV, two iPhone 4GS Contracts and the latest graphics card.... but no **** you can't afford it!

The problem is people think living is having a load of luxury items that are just that, luxury. It's bloody expensive having a TV, VM/Sky, 50MB fibre optic broadband, shopping in waitrose etc etc etc. If your emplyment due to your education/drive/life chances doesn't give you that money I'll be damned if you think your entitled to benefits.

If you can GENUINELY not afford to live, and by live I mean
- cycle/walk/bus to work, not have a car....
- Put food on the table, and not Tesco Finest ! Value is reet.
- Pay your gas, electric, water, home insurance and council tax bill
- sharing a flat/house with friends

...Whilst obviously having a full time job... Then I am genuinely shocked. No shocks you can't afford to do this in a nice area, but you get that when you can afford it after getting a better job !!

If you can't afford to do this because you had Children I fail to see why this is my, or indeed any other tax payers problem. Having children isn't a right, and again, its bloody expensive !

 

[Jonnybmac]

So do what I did, move away to get a job elsewhere where you can earn more money....

I don't get this whole 'we need benefits to survive nonsense'. Sure, if you work at Tesco's stacking shelves you cant afford a 50"LED TV, two iPhone 4GS Contracts and the latest graphics card.... but no **** you can't afford it!

The problem is people think living is having a load of luxury items that are just that, luxury. It's bloody expensive having a TV, VM/Sky, 50MB fibre optic broadband, shopping in waitrose etc etc etc. If your emplyment due to your education/drive/life chances doesn't give you that money I'll be damned if you think your entitled to benefits.

If you can GENUINELY not afford to live, and by live I mean
- cycle/walk/bus to work, not have a car....
- Put food on the table, and not Tesco Finest ! Value is reet.
- Pay your gas, electric, water, home insurance and council tax bill
- sharing a flat/house with friends

...Whilst obviously having a full time job... Then I am genuinely shocked. No shocks you can't afford to do this in a nice area, but you get that when you can afford it after getting a better job !!

If you can't afford to do this because you had Children I fail to see why this is my, or indeed any other tax payers problem. Having children isn't a right, and again, its bloody expensive !

You just summed up britain. They should make in law where you have to Be able to fully provide for a child before you have one. Too many lazy tw**s sitying on their bums popping out kids n getting everything, then them doing the same, its why the countrys so knackered.

 

[Things change I've changed]

So do what I did, move away to get a job elsewhere where you can earn more money....

I don't get this whole 'we need benefits to survive nonsense'. Sure, if you work at Tesco's stacking shelves you cant afford a 50"LED TV, two iPhone 4GS Contracts and the latest graphics card.... but no **** you can't afford it!

The problem is people think living is having a load of luxury items that are just that, luxury. It's bloody expensive having a TV, VM/Sky, 50MB fibre optic broadband, shopping in waitrose etc etc etc. If your emplyment due to your education/drive/life chances doesn't give you that money I'll be damned if you think your entitled to benefits.

If you can GENUINELY not afford to live, and by live I mean
- cycle/walk/bus to work, not have a car....
- Put food on the table, and not Tesco Finest ! Value is reet.
- Pay your gas, electric, water, home insurance and council tax bill
- sharing a flat/house with friends

...Whilst obviously having a full time job... Then I am genuinely shocked. No shocks you can't afford to do this in a nice area, but you get that when you can afford it after getting a better job !!

If you can't afford to do this because you had Children I fail to see why this is my, or indeed any other tax payers problem. Having children isn't a right, and again, its bloody expensive !

ok mate, if you say so , just type cast the majority of people that are struggling and working, tbh I'm getting fed up with your kind that thinks everyone that needs help with benefits is living the life of luxury and squandering their money, so many people on here think "oh, just move, get a better job, simpleZ!1!1", life is not that black and ******* white, I wish it was, the majority of jobs in Cornwall are minimum wage, and even they are very hard to find, pound land down here for example, they had 160 people applying for 6 positions, it's a terrible situation here atm, and in other deprived county's.

Like I've said before it's the rent that's making it hard to survive even while working, ok, maybe in the future I'll be able to afford to move to a better county (even though that doesn't offer any guarantees) but that doesn't solve the problem does it? there's still a whole county left with large proportion of people requiring benefits even while working full time due to how expensive it is to have a roof over their head, something needs to be done about that, not just down here but everywhere, the government just seems to be content at throwing money at private landlords, and putting this cap on how much they pay out isn't going to do jack to the rental prices like some people think, it's just going to push poorer people into worse areas with less jobs opportunities.

There are plenty of decent hard working people out there that work full time but require working tax credits or housing benefit, sometimes both, if that doesn't tell you something wrong then nothing will, the cost of living needs to come down, someone has to do their job, they can't all just put on a suit and move to the city and get high paid jobs and beamers.

All I'm calling for is a cap on how much a landlord can charge, because atm it's out of control in the private sector.

 

[Conanius]

ok mate, if you say so , just type cast the majority of people that are struggling and working, tbh I'm getting fed up with your kind that thinks everyone that needs help with benefits is living the life of luxury and squandering their money, so many people on here think "oh, just move get a better job, simpleZ!1!1", life is not that black and ******* white, I wish it was, the majority of jobs in Cornwall are minimum wage, and even they are very hard to find, pound land down here, they had 160 people applying for 6 positions for example, it;s terrible down here and in a lot of other deprived county's.

Did you read anything I said? If there are 160 people applying for 6 minimum wage jobs, either increase your skills by going to evening classes or move to get a job elsewhere.

Regarding life of luxury. If it is so hard down there, I presume you are using a library computer, not having your own or own broadband at home, don't have a mobile phone, and cycle instead of using a car.

If not, theres a load of savings you can get right there. Sure it isn't pretty, but the attitude of 'ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!' and stamping your feet like a petulant child whilst playing the violin sob story is getting old. Life isn't easy.

If the majority of jobs in the area are minimum wage as you say, you need to consider your options to commute further afield, live somewhere else during the week, move completely. Those are options literally thousands of people elsewhere have to consider, why shouldn't you?
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[Things change I've changed]

Did you read anything I said? If there are 160 people applying for 6 minimum wage jobs, either increase your skills by going to evening classes or move to get a job elsewhere.

Regarding life of luxury. If it is so hard down there, I presume you are using a library computer, not having your own or own broadband at home, don't have a mobile phone, and cycle instead of using a car.

If not, theres a load of savings you can get right there. Sure it isn't pretty, but the attitude of 'ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!' and stamping your feet like a petulant child whilst playing the violin sob story is getting old. Life isn't easy.

If the majority of jobs in the area are minimum wage as you say, you need to consider your options to commute further afield, live somewhere else during the week, move completely. Those are options literally thousands of people elsewhere have to consider, why shouldn't you?
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I read everything you said but it appears that I was talking to a mirror, just forget it mate, this is obviously a frivolous exercise, we're living in different worlds, talking different languages, you stay up there in your rarefied atmosphere thinking that we're just lazy bums down here living the life of luxury while playing Tchaikovsky's meditation in D minor on our violins collecting tears from the rich folk while we tell our tales of woe.

 

[Conanius]

I read everything you said but it appears that I was talking to a mirror, just forget it mate, this is obviously a frivolous exercise, we're living in different worlds, talking different languages, you stay up there in your rarefied atmosphere thinking that we're just lazy bums down here living the life of luxury while playing Tchaikovsky's meditation in D minor on our violins collecting tears from the rich folk while we tell our tale of woe.

I think it is quite funny actually that you've ignored my latest post as it's probably right. People like you expect hand outs to support a lifestyle that contains luxuries that others have to work for.

My commute to work when living in London on a good day was an hour door to door, I'd imagine you'd do better being willing to at least consider this.

There are plenty of jobs in London or the like which you could get, stay there in the week in a flat share, and get a £1 megabus to and from the place on a Monday and Friday.

Again, yes, its not 1st class rail travel, being driven around in a Benz, but you have to start somewhere.


Edit - in fact, absolute bloody LOL at your sig, I've just seen the spec of your PC. You have serious issues if life is as tough as you claim and you probably have 5-600 bare minimum of computer parts listed in your sig image.

 

[Things change I've changed]

Edit - in fact, absolute bloody LOL at your sig, I've just seen the spec of your PC. You have serious issues if life is as tough as you claim and you probably have 5-600 bare minimum of computer parts listed in your sig image.

Which cost me about £200 after selling my old components, I'm not stupid with money, last year in total I spent maybe £600 on 'toys', that comes to £44 a month, I don't drink, smoke, own a car, or contract mobile, no sky tv, or go out, eat takeaway food etc, the only service I have is broadband at a reduced rate, nothing else, I think I economise quite well.

 

[Randomface74]

Should be forced to move, would free up housing for people who can actually afford it.

 

[Conanius]

Which cost me about £200 after selling my old components, I'm not stupid with money, last year in total I spent maybe £600 on 'toys', that comes to £44 a month, I don't drink, smoke, own a car, or contract mobile, no sky tv, or go out, eat takeaway food etc, the only service I have is broadband at a reduced rate, nothing else, I think I economise quite well.

I think you are a bit blind to the point... You clearly have a luxury item, things aren't therefore all that bad.

 

[Things change I've changed]

I think you are a bit blind to the point... You clearly have a luxury item, things aren't therefore all that bad.

Things are bad because I and many others need benefits to survive while working, not having that item doesn't solve anything, it's pence in the grand scheme of things, if I sell everything I own after ten weeks I'm still going to need housing benefit and tax credits but this time I'll be needing that with nothing in my flat, it makes no difference, the point I'm making is that people shouldn't need these benefits while working full time on minimum wage, like I keep saying, the core reason why they do need them is because the cost of rent is so high, not because of mismanagement of their finances, a cap needs to be introduced on how much a landlord can charge based on the size of the property and area, that would save tax payers hundreds of millions, atm, capping how much they (the government) pays out is the wrong way around imo, in fact in could end up cost tax payers even more rehousing people.

 

[edscdk]

Edit - in fact, absolute bloody LOL at your sig, I've just seen the spec of your PC. You have serious issues if life is as tough as you claim and you probably have 5-600 bare minimum of computer parts listed in your sig image.

a lot of people consider, smart phones, PC's, games consoles, large TV, Broadband, cars and holidays smoking and drinking essentials...

 

[DragonWoLf]

Isn't this old news? In any case heard about these stories many many times, nothing we can do but watch.

 

[ntg]

Things are bad because I and many others need benefits to survive while working, not having that item doesn't solve anything, it's pence in the grand scheme of things, if I sell everything I own after ten weeks I'm still going to need housing benefit and tax credits but this time I'll be needing that with nothing in my flat, it makes no difference, the point I'm making is that people shouldn't need these benefits while working full time on minimum wage, like I keep saying, the core reason why they do need them is because the cost of rent is so high, not because of mismanagement of their finances, a cap needs to be introduced on how much a landlord can charge based on the size of the property and area, that would save tax payers hundreds of millions, atm, capping how much they (the government) pays out is the wrong way around imo, in fact in could end up cost tax payers even more rehousing people.

Why don't you move to an area where full time employment allows you to live without receiving benefits? From your posts you are clearly outpriced where you live so I don't understand why you keep staying there and living substandardly when you could probably do much better somewhere else.

What would you do if benefits were not available to you? Wouldn't you move somewhere else?

I was commuting 4 1/2 years to London 3 hours a day back and forth, sharing a studio flat, because I couldn't afford to live anywhere nearer with my paycheck, so it can be done. I didn't like it at all but I worked my way to something better to improve my situation.