*****Official Star Wars: The Old Republic Thread*****

I think month 2 will be over 300k and that's not a disaster by any means, the scale of success is skewed due to WOW. There will be free trials and big expansions in the future which will pull in new and bring back existing players (and a load more when they get high res textures in, lol).

Supposedly 4m copies of TOR have been sold (inc. 1m pre orders), that more than covers the development cost in itself already which is a success, obviously there are ongoing costs but 4-5m a month in subscriptions ain't bad esp. as WOW has set the bar so high in standards but lets remember that has been painful over the years too.

Has been a tough month for BioWare in some ways which is a shame but they've consistently created top quality PC titles so I'm willing to give them a bit of leeway while they learn too.

I wish that were the case, but im afraid it isnt. The facts point to an impending disaster. Im going to use US dollars because we all roughly pay the same.

I think you got the figure of 4m units shifted from the Forbes quoted assessment that came out pre-release. They estimated that by the end of 2012, 3 million units would have been sold with an active subscriber base of 2 million, which would be just fine.

Of course BioWare havent released any sales info. What they have said was that 'over a million gamers' were playing SWTOR over christmas. They went on to say that 850,000 Sith warriors had been created and 810,000 Jedi knights. Given that multiple characters per account were likely, with server queues some migration too, this suggests a figure between one and one-and-a-half million unit sales, because I highly doubt many people bought but didnt activate. I would think it was closer to a million because they would have quoted that number but lets be generous (hopeful) and say thay have added another 300,000 so its 1.3 million.

There is also no info on the cost of developing the game, but various estimates have come out by 'experts' who put the figure at between $125 - $175 million and that hasnt been disputed. Lets split the difference and say it was $150 million.

So to the numbers - 1.3 million people paying $60 = $78 million. 300k people paying $15 per month = $4.5 million per month, $54 million per year. That is bad news in any book. Bioware now has 1000 employees, a couple of hundred of which are CS staff in Ireland. Again, nobody knows the running costs of a MMORPG, but as a guesstimate WoW in its first 4 years cost around $50m per year. If youve made $132m after twelve months, minus substantial running costs, well youre a long way off even beginning to recover dev costs when you were expected to have made at least 4 times that. Also god knows what theyre paying lucas arts for licensing.

Plus theres a lot of trouble ahead holding onto their player base. You've got short term Guild Wars, Diablo 3, Planetside 2, Mists of Pandoria and even Project Titan *possibly* in 2013. A Fallout MMO is also likely to be in the works soon.

Of course this is all conjecture, just based on the numbers that ive seen over the past couple of weeks. We will know for sure pretty quickly, at least in the next couple of months. If any of the above rings true, then without drastic action theyre going to be haemorraging players. Firstly we'll see a drastic reduction in servers, some layoffs. If its still going downhill, the March patch will have some pretty heavy and fundamental changes (if the engine allows). After that they either need to shut down or go Free to Play. That has been known to triple sub income. But the game is no way set up for that, I cannot imagine how they would do it. The worst case scenario is Bioware are dragged under, but who knows how theyve set up development funding - loans have to be paid, other games developed. You cant have SWTOR being a money black hole for the profits from Mass effect and DA. That would be a total tragedy.

Anyway im all doom and gloom. Im off to play, hoping im wrong.
 
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I was levelling in Alderaan (Frostclaw) today, and actually enjoying the experience, but you can go for such a long time and not see a soul. If the engine can't handle just having a single instance on a huge great zone like that, then there's going to be trouble.
 
It seems the fellows from The Dark Immortals haven't been on in a while either. Such a pity, I would have liked to join that guild.

I have run into the Immortals a few times in pvp, good fun.

The Dark Immortals is the guild for the Immortals to be on if they want to have an alt Imperial side character.

But the Immortals (republic side) is the main guild with 40-70 on in regular hours.
 
Seems to me TOR will likely be one of the last MMOs to go down the monthly pay route, maybe a follow up to WOW will be able to get away with it but I don't think we'll see that many in the future. I think most will go the free to play microtrasaction route and a few others going one off payment like Guild Wars 2.
because swtor failed? lol i doubt it the game isnt really a proper mmo theres barely any social aspect to it.

it failed because they tried to make a massively single player game
 
I've cancelled my sub too. Its strange because there probably are many really interesting stories in SWTOR that I would normally love to play, however the pacing of the events are simply too far apart and it becomes a chore having to trudge through the endless repeating planetary quests to get to them. I started to get frustrated because everytime I got bored of a planet and the same mobs over and over, the map would open up an entire new section full of the same thing. So by the time the next story class quest came along, I forgot the last part and lost all emotional attachment to the characters.

Its a bloody shame because we'll never see another Knights of the Old Republic because of SWTOR. You can't make an MMO single player game because both will harm the other. Tbh I'm surprised they never saw this at the very beginning concept level.
 
I wish that were the case, but im afraid it isnt. The facts point to an impending disaster. Im going to use US dollars because we all roughly pay the same.

I think you got the figure of 4m units shifted from the Forbes quoted assessment that came out pre-release. They estimated that by the end of 2012, 3 million units would have been sold with an active subscriber base of 2 million, which would be just fine.

Of course BioWare havent released any sales info. What they have said was that 'over a million gamers' were playing SWTOR over christmas. They went on to say that 850,000 Sith warriors had been created and 810,000 Jedi knights. Given that multiple characters per account were likely, with server queues some migration too, this suggests a figure between one and one-and-a-half million unit sales, because I highly doubt many people bought but didnt activate. I would think it was closer to a million because they would have quoted that number but lets be generous (hopeful) and say thay have added another 300,000 so its 1.3 million.


Yet http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales-data/31584/star-wars-the-old-republic/

Has total sales at under 2 million, but of course until we have official sales figures from Bioware
 
It's a good game but got very boring, I really don't feel like leveling up a lot either because from what people are saying it's boring at level 50, i have a timecard but not sure I'm going to use it :/ Yet atleast.
 
Anyway im all doom and gloom.

Pretty sure you and Arknor only ever have bad things to say.

After about 20+ pages it really does start to get incredibly irritating.

Maybe, just maybe you can stop posting your continual attempts to make this thread as negative as possible?

You both have clearly made your points multiple times, can you just not leave the people who enjoy this game to enjoy the thread and the discussion of the game without the fear of being slated by the hate mob?

:rolleyes:
 
What do you define as the wrong crowd? Because you get plenty of people who love to act like an idiot in monthly subscription MMO's.

F2P MMO's by design encourage the younger generation of players to play there games.

Its a lot harder for a "kid" to blag there parents to pay £30 and then £10 a month, instead of paying £30 for a game with no subscription.

So by design Sub based MMO's are more likely to have less "kids" playing the game then F2P MMO's.
 
F2P MMO's by design encourage the younger generation of players to play there games.

Its a lot harder for a "kid" to blag there parents to pay £30 and then £10 a month, instead of paying £30 for a game with no subscription.

So by design Sub based MMO's are more likely to have less "kids" playing the game then F2P MMO's.

Ah right, i do see where you are coming from, because LotRO had an increase in the younger generation when it went F2P, as beforehand it was pretty much a game played by 20+ year olds.
 
Pretty sure you and Arknor only ever have bad things to say.

After about 20+ pages it really does start to get incredibly irritating.

Maybe, just maybe you can stop posting your continual attempts to make this thread as negative as possible?

You both have clearly made your points multiple times, can you just not leave the people who enjoy this game to enjoy the thread and the discussion of the game without the fear of being slated by the hate mob?

:rolleyes:
wtf are you on about? ive posted twice in here since chistmas.... both spread out over about a week apart.

your constant crap everytime someone posts in here saying they dont like the game is getting annoying
 
wtf are you on about? ive posted twice in here since chistmas.... both spread out over about a week apart.

your constant crap everytime someone posts in here saying they dont like the game is getting annoying

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=21043288&highlight=username_arknor#post21043288 - Negative Comment

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=21030309&highlight=username_arknor#post21030309 - Negative Comment

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=20973556&highlight=username_arknor#post20973556 - Negative Comment

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=20922089&highlight=username_arknor#post20922089 - Negative Comment

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=20915710&highlight=username_arknor#post20915710 - Negative Comment

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=20889991&highlight=username_arknor#post20889991 - Negative Comment

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=20880541&highlight=username_arknor#post20880541 - Negative Comment


And these were the negative comments all after christmas, there was more made then i have listed here ;)

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/search.php?searchid=14569832&pp=25

And your barrage of negative comments started roughly around the 23rd of December, so for nearly a month you've been banging on in this thread.
 
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wow very sad... yea look at the dates... okay they are all after christmas but they are pretty much 5-7 days apart you act like im in here everyday...

ocassionaly i check on the thread to see if anything has changed and the more i come here the more people i see saying they have unsubscribed or how the guild they are in seems empty.

so it would apear im far from the only person who sees the problem this game has..

oh wow look at your post history 90% of it seems to be you attacking people who say anything that isnt positive about the game lol..... it apears you live in this thread
 
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Pretty sure you and Arknor only ever have bad things to say.

After about 20+ pages it really does start to get incredibly irritating.

Maybe, just maybe you can stop posting your continual attempts to make this thread as negative as possible?

You both have clearly made your points multiple times, can you just not leave the people who enjoy this game to enjoy the thread and the discussion of the game without the fear of being slated by the hate mob?

:rolleyes:

I was responding to a post about game numbers. Seriously this is a ocuk discussion about the game, not a personal forum designed specifically to blow sunshine up your ****. All you ever do is moan and come up with rubbish facts easily disproven, then fall back to 'wahhh you're making me read bad things'. Seriously if you have a point to make, about the game or subs or anything, make it with facts. If you want a rabid fanboi 'isn't SWTOR great!' thread go and look elsewhere. Adult discussion going on here.
 
Actually did PvE yesterday, did Eternity Vault or something like that... Was an ok instance, nothing too excite, however on the Stasis encounter was an annoying one, after several attempts not being able to do it, it seems that 4 people even after combat and even after reset were still flagged as in a duel so this caused issues, not going to spoil anything but was a rather annoying bug and until someone noticed it was making us very frustrated.
 
Mmo's were better (IMO) when they wernt mainstream.

Goddamn , I have got to stop agreeing with everything you write lately !

However..I totally agree. When I look back over the decades of MMOs, the ones I have enjoyed the most, ones like Ultima Online and DAOC, were before they became mainstream. Once they became mainstream they started to alter to appeal to the lowest common denominator and changed their very makeup imo.

Like some others have said, I suspect the P2P model is on its last legs. I do worry for the P2P future of SWTOR, especially given that on many occasions I have heard people say that although they are finding the game to be ok, they just dont think its worth a monthly fee for what you get.

I do think it will be very interesting to see what impact Guild Wars 2 has, I think it has the potential to really change things in the MMO market and the way things are done, if it succeeds.
 
Seriously if you have a point to make, about the game or subs or anything, make it with facts.


Yet you make a point based on

Of course this is all conjecture, just based on the numbers that ive seen over the past couple of weeks.

You say 1.3 million players at best, but no link to base this on. The only link I have seen is for the amount of sales to be Under 2 million.
 
wow very sad... yea look at the dates... okay they are all after christmas but they are pretty much 5-7 days apart you act like im in here everyday...

ocassionaly i check on the thread to see if anything has changed and the more i come here the more people i see saying they have unsubscribed or how the guild they are in seems empty.

so it would apear im far from the only person who sees the problem this game has

I really don't mind if people have a problem with the game, I've expressed my issues with the game and left it there.

The problem comes when you express your opinion over and over again derailing the thread into a hate storm, when people like my self and others enjoy this game and feel more and more like a outcast from posting in a thread dedicated to the game, because they don't dislike it.

Post your concerns and move on, there is zero need for you to continually keep bringing up your hate.
 
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