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Nvidia say they're underwhelmed by 7970

Martini1991 said:
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AMD first to 40nm.
AMD first to DX11.
AMD first to 28nm.
AMD first to DX11.1.
AMD first to PCI-E 3.0 (Ironically).
AMD's dual GPU cards generally 1 up Nvidia's flagship single, with which Nvidia barely reply, we've had the GTX295, and the GTX590 (Arguably slower than the 6990)
AMD's 7970 is the single fastest GPU on the planet.

You make zilch sense.
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John Logie Baird first to invent the TV
Alexander Graham Bell, first to invent the Telephone.

Why do the Scot's not then make the best phones or tellys ?

The only one making zilch sense is you.
 
ALXAndy said:
Oh and 2gb vram? tight gits.

These cards are supposed to be able to run three monitors.

Still, as the saying goes... Treat em mean keep em keen.
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You know that these are the mid-range [GTX560-replacement] parts?

256-bit bus and 2Gb of RAM isn't unreasonable for a mid-range card. The reduced memory bandwidth may cause it problems against the 7970 at very high res, but leaves room to expand for the high-end part.
 
If the rumours are true then atm the gk104 is nvidias top end part atm. The rumoured big daddy is supposed to appear end of this year or 2013 and be called the gtx780 i pressume so that will be going up against most likely an amd refresh. So for now the gk104 is the top end and will replace the gtx580 not the ti560 or it would be called ti660 not gtx680. Even the code name for nvidia's monster card suggest its gonna appear in the refresh line as its gk112 not gk102. They could have changed things with the code names but apart from gk102 missing all the other codenames are the same as fermi gf100.

Its all rumour though atm and nvidia may just blow all the info out of the water.
 
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TheRealDeal said:
If the rumours are true then atm the gk104 is nvidias top end part atm. The rumoured big daddy is supposed to appear end of this year or 2013 and be called the gtx780 i pressume so that will be going up against most likely an amd refresh. So for now the gk104 is the top end and will replace the gtx580 not the ti560 or it would be called ti660 not gtx680. Even the code name for nvidia's monster card suggest its gonna appear in the refresh line as its gk112 not gk102. They could have changed things with the code names but apart from gk102 missing all the other codenames are the same as fermi gf100.

Its all rumour though atm and nvidia may just blow all the info out of the water.
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The source the article is quoting specifically mentions that GK-104 is the replacement for GF-114:

The site goes on to say that the GK-104 is a direct replacement to the GF-114 (the GPU used on the GeForce GTX 560 Ti) and will be released first.
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All of the other info say its gonna be called gtx680, so they can say its to replace the ti560 but if its called the gtx680 and stick with there naming scheme then its replacing the gtx580. Its nvidias highest end single gpu that they have ready for awhile, if the rumours of gk112 not coming until nearly 2013 are correct. The time frame of releases matters more than the codenames.

It looks for all purposes nvidia will be around a generation behind amd in releasing the fastest card they have as amd should and probably will have something new to go up against the gtx780 (gk112) if its as late as we are hearing.
 
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mmj_uk said:
He means the actual speed of the GPU's, not tickbox features.

Apart from the 9700 Pro era they've almost always been a step behind. The 7970 is only fastest because it's been released ahead of its competition rather than on merit.

Like you say the dual GPU Crossfire cards is where AMD tend to enjoy most success, although in fairness that is usually down to NVidia releasing hobbled SLI cards.
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They've been behind (For fastest GPU) since the 8800GTX and pulled back in front with the 7970 :confused:. The X1800/X1900 series is better than the 7800/7900 series. I can't remember about the X800 vs 6800, I'm sure it was 50/50 for that round. I went 9800Pro>X800XT PE>7600GT>X1900XT>2900Pro>8800GTX. I loved all the cards apart from the 7600. It had less grunt than the X800 but still gave me enjoyable times on Serious Sam :).
 
TheRealDeal said:
All of the other info say its gonna be called gtx680, so they can say its to replace the ti560 but if its called the gtx680 and stick with there naming scheme then its replacing the gtx580. Its nvidias highest end single gpu that they have ready for awhile, if the rumours of gk112 not coming until nearly 2013 are correct. The time frame of releases matters more than the codenames.

It looks for all purposes nvidia will be around a generation behind amd in releasing the fastest card they have as amd should and probably will have something new to go up against the gtx780 (gk112) if its as late as we are hearing.
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Let's hope it does not turn into the con that was the 6870 naming scheme.
 
its all rumours and smoke and mirrors until cards are in peoples rigs.


as it stands amd/ati have cards out there in the wild which ARE the fastest single gpu available.

no doubt nvidia will be holding back after seeing what amd have brought to the table, going back to look at what they have comparing, tweaking and launching something that can and will be better in terms of performance. but at the same time amd wont be standing still,
"rumour" has it that there is locked down shaders on the new 7970s and they clock like demons so theres a LOT of headroom to be wrung out of these cards quite possibly in the form of a 7980 or similar to be launched at some point in the future with some shiny bits and a bit of tweaking amd could quite easily scrape another 20% out of the 7970 performance wise,
Personally i like both companies. having owned hardware from both green and red camps and enjoyed my gaming with both, i dont particularly care who my cards come from as long as they offer goof performance to £££££ I was all set to replace my 6970 this year with a 7970 but I baulked at the prices, so i'm waiting it out with my still capable card to see who blinks first and drops their prices :)
Competition is good, it means better hardware more innovation and above all value for money as the 2 graphics card companies duke it out. I only wish a new player would enter the fray and really mix things up :)
 
DF1986 said:
id love to know why amd are always behind nvidia
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Rubbish, 5870 was the best GPU of the first 40nm generation, after 6 months Nvidia released something that was 11% faster, cost 50% more and generated a ton of heat and noise.

I think what you perhaps meant to say was that per generation Nvidia single GPUs tend to be the fastest, which is largely true, however always come at a high price
 
TheRealDeal said:
If the rumours are true then atm the gk104 is nvidias top end part atm. The rumoured big daddy is supposed to appear end of this year or 2013 and be called the gtx780 i pressume so that will be going up against most likely an amd refresh. So for now the gk104 is the top end and will replace the gtx580 not the ti560 or it would be called ti660 not gtx680. Even the code name for nvidia's monster card suggest its gonna appear in the refresh line as its gk112 not gk102. They could have changed things with the code names but apart from gk102 missing all the other codenames are the same as fermi gf100.

Its all rumour though atm and nvidia may just blow all the info out of the water.
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So the nivida flagship is a year away?
They can be as underwhelmed as they like if the market is already gone and past.
Interesting.
 
What is predicted to be the 'best' sub £200 (or thereabouts) Nvidia card in 3-6 months time?

I am not sure whether to buy a GTX 560 ti card now, or wait a bit longer! :confused:
 
Well I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 7970 if I hadn't invested in 3D vision so I hope Kepler will be quicker. Why not just get a 7970 now then if Kepler is better, sell it and get the nvidia card.... the cost is then minimal and it wouldn't matter what AMD or NVIDIA say. Simples.
 
spankingtexan said:
Well I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 7970 if I hadn't invested in 3D vision so I hope Kepler will be quicker. Why not just get a 7970 now then if Kepler is better, sell it and get the nvidia card.... the cost is then minimal and it wouldn't matter what AMD or NVIDIA say. Simples.
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but if nvidia realease a 560Ti replacement which beats/comes close to he 7970, then you're £300 out of pocket!
 
Why would you end up £300 out of pocket, he'll still have a GPU. Unfortunately we can't know for certain where the 560ti price will end up.


Two things will happen though, if the gk104 beats a stock 7970, a new 7970... or a new name like 7980 will be released with the clocks everyone can overclock to anyway, I'd be very surprised if the 7970 at 1100Mhz + was beaten by a GK104.

From everything leaked, nvidia is releasing a probably similarly sized core to the 7970, but whatever they call it 660/680 it will be the fastest Nvidia card you can buy for a while so will unlikely be priced very high.

Nvidia COULD do a crazy AMD like value launch, make the Gk104 like £225-250 and the GK110 £400 ish, that would really make AMD look bad. The general history of Nvidia is not to go the value route, but with low end disappearing market share winning strategy's could work for them in the mid/high end for a while so its possible. The more likely situation is a GK104 being ahead of a stock 7970, a GK104 overclocked being noticeably behind a overclocked 7970, being launched at £300 + and the Gk100 being £550+.

IF it comes out at £250 and the 7950 doesn't price adjust to match, I'll get one, if some competition and more likely the 7870/7850 release brings prices down, I'll see where they all end up afterwards. My guess is 7950 overclocked will also be ahead of a gk104, but priced a little above.

As for Nvidia being underwhelmed, full agree with the stock speed on the 7970, at stock it looks woeful.

But when 99.9% of gpu releases the high end barely does 10% overclock on the stock heatsink and the 7970 does 30%+, you have to see the difference.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/01/09/amd_radeon_hd_7970_overclocking_performance_review/5

72%, 49%, 48% faster than an OVERCLOCKED 580gtx. I don't know what overclocks 580gtx "do" on average on a reference heatsink, I'd be surprised if there wasn't more in the tank on that MSI card, but I'd be surprised if a stock cooled card got anymore than 5% more than that card gets.

Stock the 7970 is a dog, unleashed, its basically every bit as fast as the 5870 was over the previous gen.
 
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