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Rumours out that Kepler GK104 cards will be $299...
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Lol, Nvidia really have sank to new depths, this is playground ********. Why don't they give some solid details of their own products rather than attacking AMDs. Jesus Christ, how low can Nvidia sink.
This is classic PR designed to stop people purchasing a competing product that you simply cannot match, in this case because Nvidia don't even have a competing product available yet. Kepler might be great, but it ain't here yet, put out some relevant info Nvidia, not this playground ********.
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Just read that article and it shows Nvidia is really on the ropes, desperately grabbing, trying to hold on for a little while longer.
Fact is, if they had something to rival AMD's 7970, it would be released and being sold here there and everywhere, and it isn't.
Fact is, if they had something to rival AMD's 7970, it would be released and being sold here there and everywhere, and it isn't.
Problem is what you call ******** works well in practice and if it's not broke.. .
The point isn't if it works, the point is how contemptable it is to attack a rival product rather than give people what they really want... details on THEIR product.
How many people are more inclined to think it smacks of desperation rather than one of confidence? Can you imagine a new Ford Focus advert that doesn't have ANY info on the Focus, but instead only states how crap the Astra is?
Would you think, wow the Ford Focus must be stunning, or would you think WTF?
Have to agree,the longer AMD'S 7970 has no rival the harder the task nVidia
has to hold on to their customers and fan base.Nearly over a year and a half since the 580s were released and still nothing new from nVidia(apart from
the shambles that was,is the 590.
No, the point is to keep consumers from buying a rival product and waitng for yours, period.
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You miss the point entirely, most people are more likely to think they are being desperate. The only ones who won't are the Nvidia fanboys who would never get an AMD GPU anyway. On HardOCP forums there is already a 5 page thread and most people are saying STFU Nvidia, even Kyle from [H] said it smacks of desperation.
I purchase GPUs from both companies based on MY needs, they are both faceless profit driven organisations and I give no loyalty to either. This makes me NOT want to purchase anything from Nvidia, it doesn't make me think "wow, Kepler must be great".
No need to worry. AMD's pricing will deter desertion from the green side. It certainly stopped me, and I have owned just about every top end card from both camps. Perhaps the other side of the coin if that AMD have rushed their product to market by not spending so much on R&D. Perhaps Kepler has been given the 8800GTX treatment and will whoop the competition. Perhaps both 7900 amd GTX600 series cards will go down in history as mediocre. My best guess, based upon GTX580, 7970 and assumed GTX600 shader increases, is that Kepler will win out, by a good margin.
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No need to worry. AMD's pricing will deter desertion from the green side. It certainly stopped me, and I have owned just about every top end card from both camps.
Lets face facts; The 7970 is only 20% faster than last gen's GTX580. The GTX660 is likely to have 25-50% more shader cores than the GTX580 (512 vs 640, possibly 768), and it will share the same clock benefits of the 28nm 7970. It doesn't take much imagination to predict that the GTX660 will be faster than the 7970. If it is, and if it sells for $299, AMD are screwed.
Desparate? No.
Underhand? Sure.
Par for the course? Absolutely.
AMD and Intel have little digs at each other, and AMD is no angel, laughing at bugs in Intel's CPUs only a short while before releasing FAILdozer.
So tar them all with the same brush. They are all as bad as each other. It has no effect on many of us. Those who were going to buy a new card this year were always likely to wait to see how Kepler turned out.
It's not like we really need the power of these new cards atm is it? You guys are always complaining that the software isn't keeping up with the hardware...
The problem I have with AMDfanbois is they paint this picture like AMD is Gandhi and NVIDIA and Intel are evil corporations... It's like in every AMDfanbois head that XFX ad plays over and over again in an endless loop. Of how the AMDPowerRangers beat the evil NVicious and Intellector... It's juvenile.
The truth is they are all evil corporations. They are all out to maximise profits and throw their weight around. This is no secret. And it's about time everyone accepted it. It just becomes low and cheap when one tries to put one over the other.
But that shouldn't stop you from wanting their products. Or you'd have to live in a cave somewhere. This is entirely different matter.
And here's a very reasonable guess: NVIDIA when it brings Kepler will handily beat AMD. That's not fanboism, that's a reasonable guess, based on the past and based on the less than sterling performance of 7970. It could well not be the case, but the weight of probability is slightly in favour of Kepler winning the round.
The truth is they are all evil corporations. They are all out to maximise profits and throw their weight around. This is no secret. And it's about time everyone accepted it. It just becomes low and cheap when one tries to put one over the other.
But that shouldn't stop you from wanting their products. Or you'd have to live in a cave somewhere. This is entirely different matter.
And here's a very reasonable guess: NVIDIA when it brings Kepler will handily beat AMD. That's not fanboism, that's a reasonable guess, based on the past and based on the less than sterling performance of 7970. It could well not be the case, but the weight of probability is slightly in favour of Kepler winning the round.
I understand your point, and in my mind it just does not stand-up. Nvidia does not operate on principles that make it lose money, -unless dictated by law- or does it?
It might not make you think Keplar must be great, but many will because the expectation has been set, and thats what matters. Just read the threads on this very site to gage expectations. So I would say the important thing is if their approach works, and imho, it does.
"most people are more likely to think they are being desperate."
Who are "most"? People posting on a few forums or do you mean people in general. Because i"m not sure people in general would give a damn. Nevertheless thank you, your post is food for thought
Nvidia don't operate on principles, but I am sure a sizeable proportion of the people who read these statements on GPU enthusiast forums do.
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038305676&postcount=40
Again I refer you to the fact that a lot of people have already stated it smacks of desperation. If Kepler is so good then tell us about it, do not throw muck at a competing product hoping some will stick. Expectations would be better served if Nvidia were to release some tangible Kepler info that showed it was a superior product. All the articles stated was that Kepler will be released in the "first half of 2012" and that Nvidia "insinuated that Kepler will launch by the end of March, but could slide into Q2". Ooh, be still by beating heart, how can we not be bowled over by such tantalising Kepler info.
Don't be ridiculous, who do you think I mean, all the girls who post on the weight watchers forum? You know damn well I am referring to GPU enthusiasts, ie the ONLY ones who will read such info.
All we have for Kepler so far is some unsubstantiated rumours and some mud slinging by Nvidia. Not even a morsel of Kepler info was released at CES. As days turn into weeks, or even months and Kepler info, let alone the acutal hardware is not released, more and more people will start to get frustrated. Oh and by people I mean GPU enthusiasts... not the ones who read Fisherman's weekly.
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I hope Kepler lives up to the rumours, after all, it benefits the enthusiast community - If it's a let down then things won't be good and AMD will have a monopoly (like they do now)
If Kepler high end is stunning then expect my 7970 in the MM
shotgun the 7970
Hey ICDP and xsistor, can we cut out the "fanboi" namecalling please? It just inflames the discussion into places it doesn't really need to go, and doesn't do either of you any favours in the debating reputation stakes. Cheers.
Oh oh,
Chiphell as just posted an article, confirming most of the positive rumors about Kepler are crap from known viral marketers as they've been caught out.
They've even managed to dupe Charlie at SA...
This could get lolworthy.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1668756
Chiphell as just posted an article, confirming most of the positive rumors about Kepler are crap from known viral marketers as they've been caught out.
They've even managed to dupe Charlie at SA...
This could get lolworthy.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1668756