Gibbo are the 7950's actually selling?

[easyrider]

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Whats the issue here?

I have an opinion and I have shared my opinion.

I couldn't care less wether you agree with me or not.

Fact is the pricing of these cards is wrong. Its the consensus on many other hardware forums and they are even pointing this out in the states.

The cards will drop in price. And I can see this happening soon.

 

[wolvers]

In all honesty, I was a little annoyed at the prices to begin with. Maybe even a little pee'd off. After all, I'd like to of seen the 7970 at the same price as a 1.5gb 580 and I would have bought one. A card that overclocks even better than it's rival I think makes the AMD cards very enthusiast orientated, and I like that approach. In reality, AMD cemented their place as a proper competitor to Nvidia with the 5xxx and 6xxx series cards and they are now taking advantage of that. Fair enough. Also with twice as much RAM, I/we were probably expecting too many miracles from their prices.

As it is now, I'll wait a bit and then buy the fastest card I can get for ~£300. It just remains to be seen who will of made that.

 

[555BUK]

Even within the USA, where prices are cheaper and the average post pubescent gamer has a lower brains-to-wallet ratio than here, all major stores have plenty of stock and the Yanks are moaning about prices.

The simple fact is that these cards are over-priced, and hence are selling slower than any previous top-end graphics card. Both of the 7900's are about £75 more expensive than I am willing to pay.

Comparing these cards to the GTX580 3GB is pretty pointess because that was never the mainstream top part. This gen's hyperthetical equivelent will probably be a 7970 6GB card, and I bet that would be expensive and wouldn't sell much either. The 3GB GTX580 was never really needed.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I don't understand why everyone is expecting Nvidia to come out with extremely low prices.
All this will lead to is disappointment as prices will always be higher than the magic figure people hold in their mind.

If Kepler performs better than AMDs cards, then Nvidia will price it accordingly...

And if that happens, we'd have AMD to thank for single-handedly starting this whole crazy, stacking new gen pricing on top of old gen thread for graphic card. Need I reminder you that GTX580 was faster than GTX480, but Nvidia launched it at a lower price? Meanwhile, 7950 is still pretty much same teir card as GTX580 1.5GB that arrived over 1 year late that demand the same price as GTX580 1.5GB over a year ago, when its premium price was for it being the single GPU graphic card king?

Neither the GTX580 or the 7950 is the single GPU graphic card king right now (7970 got that honor), and why on earth should people be expected to pay £350 for one?

 

[iB CoMpL3XiTy]

And if that happens, we'd have AMD to thank for single-handedly starting this whole crazy, stacking new gen pricing on top of old gen thread for graphic card. Need I reminder you that GTX580 was faster than GTX480, but Nvidia launched it at a lower price? Meanwhile, 7950 is still pretty much same teir card as GTX580 1.5GB that arrived over 1 year late that demand the same price as GTX580 1.5GB over a year ago, when its premium price was for it being the single GPU graphic card king?

Neither the GTX580 or the 7950 is the single GPU graphic card king right now (7970 got that honor), and why on earth should people be expected to pay £350 for one?

You have to take into consideration that nVidia haven't really lowered the price of the GTX580, obviously if they had the HD7950 wouldn't cost £335+

Fact is if your buying today and want high end performance most people would opt for a 3GB HD7950 over a GTX580 as gibbo's post proves.

 

[555BUK]

AMD's new pricing point will only work if people are willing to pay the extra. Stock levels and general opinion seem to indicate most people will not.

 

[robotn1k]

Well, as (apparently!) one of the eleven who's bought a 9750 in the last 24 hours - for me personally, the thinking was simple and I guess might add something here.

I don't have a current desktop system and was buying a whole package from scratch - for which I wanted a solid GPU that would last me a few years and leave the option of SLI/crossfire open to extend that further. I'm utterly unfussed about manufacturer - my current laptop has nVidia graphics, my previous one had ATI. I have found that nVidia drivers are a bit more reliable over the years, but that alone wouldn't sway me.

The cheapest GTX580 (or at least a solid, dependable brand name one) from here was the Asus DirectCU II 1.5gb at £379.99. The Powercolour HD7950 PCS 3gb is... £379.99. Which one one will be more 'future proof'? I don't think that's a hard decision. For anyone who's making an educated buying decision at those prices, I'd be very surprised to see any 580's selling in the near future at all.

That the PCS edition has been reviewed as having decent overclocking capacity while also running on relatively low power and quietly sealed the deal for me. Plus - and I haven't seen it mentioned here yet (I think!), new hardware almost always has unoptimised drivers. I'd put money on the fact that we'll see decent performance gains through driver releases on the 9750 as it matures...

 

[J.D]

Whats the issue here?

I have an opinion and I have shared my opinion.

I couldn't care less wether you agree with me or not.

Fact is the pricing of these cards is wrong. Its the consensus on many other hardware forums and they are even pointing this out in the states.

The cards will drop in price. And I can see this happening soon.

You have zero reasoning other than "other people", or "other forums". If you would like to make your reasoning heard then please address any of my points which I'll link below. If you ignore this request, would I be fair to say you're on the edge of what could be called trolling?. All I'm asking for Easy is why you are holding the stance that you do but please take on board to what I've linked to first. As you said this is for discussion, the point to this thread so please, do so.

I want to hear something reasonable without resorting to what "he" or "she" said please as I do not care what "they" think in the states, nor do I care about the consensus on other forums. I'm asking you EasyRider as to why this is so bad?. Even members who I would consider team green have had great points and reasonable thinking when it comes to the 7900 series. That is why I'm even more baffled to your 7900 series anger. Hopefully you will be a gentleman and explain.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21175444&postcount=98
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21175665&postcount=108
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21175718&postcount=110
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21175873&postcount=117
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21175951&postcount=120

 

[J.D]

In all honesty, I was a little annoyed at the prices to begin with. Maybe even a little pee'd off. After all, I'd like to of seen the 7970 at the same price as a 1.5gb 580 and I would have bought one. A card that overclocks even better than it's rival I think makes the AMD cards very enthusiast orientated, and I like that approach. In reality, AMD cemented their place as a proper competitor to Nvidia with the 5xxx and 6xxx series cards and they are now taking advantage of that. Fair enough. Also with twice as much RAM, I/we were probably expecting too many miracles from their prices.

As it is now, I'll wait a bit and then buy the fastest card I can get for ~£300. It just remains to be seen who will of made that.

Yeah, same here. I've just got used to AMD being second and really bringing it to Nvidia with aggressive pricing. I'm waiting as well. I was going to upgrade to the 7970 but I'm not really playing much at the moment. Plus anything I do play the 6950 is doing fine apart from scope lag on BF3.

Couldn't you sell your current card which would boost your budget a little?.

 

[kitch9]

Whats the issue here?

I have an opinion and I have shared my opinion.

I couldn't care less wether you agree with me or not.

Fact is the pricing of these cards is wrong. Its the consensus on many other hardware forums and they are even pointing this out in the states.

The cards will drop in price. And I can see this happening soon.

Unless you have access to current AMD supply position with accurate worldwide sales data you have no idea whether pricing is wrong or not.

The product is clearly desirable, hence we wouldn't have forums full of people whining that AMD haven't decided to give their cards away as nobody would give a toss.

 

[easyrider]

Unless you have access to current AMD supply position with accurate worldwide sales data you have no idea whether pricing is wrong or not.

The product is clearly desirable, hence we wouldn't have forums full of people whining that AMD haven't decided to give their cards away as nobody would give a toss.

Just because a product is desirable does not make it sell well.

The most important thing about business is product and pricing. Price to high stock doesn't sell...

Considering the 7970 is 3 week old tech and barely beats 12 month old tech its priced to high.

The 7950 is the same.

Stock has to sell. If it doesn't then you drop the price.

Its that simple.

Mark my words AMD will realise the mistake and drop the price accordingly. They have no choice

 

[tommybhoy]

It comprehensively beats the 580 into complete submission when both are overclocked to the max.

I don't think AMD will drop prices(realistically at least) until the keplars are in town

 

[tribz]

Just because a product is desirable does not make it sell well.

iProducts

 

[555BUK]

Unless you have access to current AMD supply position with accurate worldwide sales data you have no idea whether pricing is wrong or not.

The product is clearly desirable, hence we wouldn't have forums full of people whining that AMD haven't decided to give their cards away as nobody would give a toss.

I think that end-user sales are a pretty good indication in regards to whether pricing is correct. These cards are simply not shifting at quantities anywhere near previous generations of top-end cards. Plenty of retailers show current in-stock levels, and this that do are clearly selling very few cards. Most people will not buy a product if the perceived value for money is poor, or if they cannot afford it. I beleive the product itself in no way justifies it's "new price point", and many others seem to agree. At current pricing Supply is much greater than Demand, and as with any other commodity that is bad for business.

The product is indeed desireable, but obviously not desireable and affordable enough for most people to justify.

 

[mmj_uk]

Regardless of NVidia's prices AMD could have been aggressive and priced 7970 at the same price point as GTX580 3GB, it is manufactured on a cheaper process afterall.

AMD have chosen to try to maximise profits which is no surprise because they are not a charity but I will be holding off this time, I cannot justify the prices they are asking without first seeing Kepler. Given that a GTX580 is not that far off a 7970 then Kepler would have to be utter dog **** or £700 in order to not be much better value.

 

[Randomface74]

Peeps don't want to pay above the odds, especially right after Christmas.

It'll sort itself out eventually, and then I'll get one too.

 

[kitch9]

Just because a product is desirable does not make it sell well.

The most important thing about business is product and pricing. Price to high stock doesn't sell...

Considering the 7970 is 3 week old tech and barely beats 12 month old tech its priced to high.

The 7950 is the same.

Stock has to sell. If it doesn't then you drop the price.

Its that simple.

Mark my words AMD will realise the mistake and drop the price accordingly. They have no choice

IT'S NOT THAT DAMN SIMPLE!

Jesus christ, there's no point pricing stuff aggressively and selling out in a day if you can't restock. From a customers point of view its always preferable to drop the price rather than to push it up as it creates bad feeling and negative perception, Gibbo will tell you that.

I'm sure if AMD deem it suitable to drop price they will do, they have plenty of time to accurately gauge the market before NV show their hand.

As always the best strategy with new stuff is to wait a bit to see what happens.

Regardless of NVidia's prices AMD could have been aggressive and priced 7970 at the same price point as GTX580 3GB, it is manufactured on a cheaper process afterall.

AMD have chosen to try to maximise profits which is no surprise because they are not a charity but I will be holding off this time, I cannot justify the prices they are asking without first seeing Kepler. Given that a GTX580 is not that far off a 7970 then Kepler would have to be utter dog **** or £700 in order to not be much better value.

Uhm, it is the same price as a 580 3GB, that's what all the whining is about as people think AMD should give them more for less.....

 

[kissenger]

It comprehensively beats the 580 into complete submission when both are overclocked to the max.

I don't think AMD will drop prices(realistically at least) until the keplars are in town

I was speaking to someone yesterday who says he gets higher FPS with his GTX 580 than with his 7970 and says he wishes he never bought it.

 

[kitch9]

I was speaking to someone yesterday who says he gets higher FPS with his GTX 580 than with his 7970 and says he wishes he never bought it.

He must be a bit crap with computers then....

I think that end-user sales are a pretty good indication in regards to whether pricing is correct. These cards are simply not shifting at quantities anywhere near previous generations of top-end cards. Plenty of retailers show current in-stock levels, and this that do are clearly selling very few cards. Most people will not buy a product if the perceived value for money is poor, or if they cannot afford it. I beleive the product itself in no way justifies it's "new price point", and many others seem to agree. At current pricing Supply is much greater than Demand, and as with any other commodity that is bad for business.

The product is indeed desireable, but obviously not desireable and affordable enough for most people to justify.

I'll say it again for those that are having trouble grasping the concept of supply and demand.

THERE IS NO POINT SELLING OUT ON THE FIRST DAY IF YOU CANNOT RESTOCK FOR 4 WEEKS.

The trick is, and its what marketers get paid a lot of money for, is to try to gauge how quickly a product will sell compared to how quickly it can be provided. If you are selling out weeks before you can restock, then you are selling too cheap, if you still have a lot of left over stock when more comes in then you are too expensive.

As I've said, wait and let market forces do its thing, if prices are where they are in a few weeks then its safe to say AMD are happy with sales rates.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Sat at my comp thinking my gfx card could do with an upgrade (5870 since Oct 2009), got a £600 bonus notification on Monday, 7970 order on the Tuesday.

Didn't really have to think that hard tbh. I wanted the fastest single gpu card on the market - what else was I going to buy?

It was pretty much the exact same scenario when I bought my 9700pro, 9800XT, X800XT PE, X1950, 8800gtx and 5870. The only exception to this was when I bought a 4870, but I ordered two of them to dabble with crossfire

I was speaking to someone yesterday who says he gets higher FPS with his GTX 580 than with his 7970 and says he wishes he never bought it.

I wouldn't have bothered upgrading from GTX580.