You're not allowed to give negative references. I'd say that you being employed and bringing money into your household for 7 weeks is perfectly reasonable. Employment is very dog eat dog.
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You're not allowed to give negative references. I'd say that you being employed and bringing money into your household for 7 weeks is perfectly reasonable. Employment is very dog eat dog.
Surely that is not how the scheme works, it would defeat the purpose. I imagine they have to employ one and if they don't they are restricted from using it again.
Nope that is exactly how it works.
about 1/200 people actually get a fully paid job from this scheme.
If I had to claim for some reason in the future I'd take my time getting a job in my profession, apologies for having an education a skill-set & experience in a valued field.
I'm not going to waste the time of a company or the job-centre & take up a job which may be valuable to somebody else which I'm only going to leave as soon as my applications went through for the jobs in my field.
And that is exactly what is wrong with modern society.
You are taking up a job for someone else what ever you do.
Qaulification and experience mean squat if you can't get a job.
This idea has been pressed into our minds for a couple of decades, but its a load if rubbish.
Earn your way, even inbeween jobs. Taking a temp or menial job, does not exclude you from applying for your profession and if you can't get back into your proffesion quickly at least you are earning and don't have a big nasty gap in your CV.
You are taking up a job for someone else what ever you do.
Qaulification and experience mean squat if you can't get a job.
This idea has been pressed into our minds for a couple of decades, but its a load if rubbish.
Earn your way, even inbeween jobs. Taking a temp or menial job, does not exclude you from applying for your profession and if you can't get back into your proffesion quickly at least you are earning and don't have a big nasty gap in your CV.
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It was stupid though. Why not let that job go to somebody looking for a permenent job rather than let me blag it and hand my notice in 7 weeks later and they have to start again?
As it was I only ended up claiming for a week as a temporary post came in (I had already registered with half a dozen temp agencies) and I was sorted for that period.
And to the OP, temp agencies is a good idea. I used to go sit in the temp office everyday if I wasn;t working in case anything came in (which it did) and they were always going to give it to the people sat there rather than ring somebody on their books.
The thing is though, is it better that I waltz to McDonalds and work there with antisocial /impractical shifts at minimum wage, or spend ~4 weeks applying frequently to jobs based on my skill set, attending interviews, and ultimately coming out with something that pays twice as well and looks twice as good on a CV?
That's what recently happened to me, although I wasn't in a possition where I needed to claim JSA.
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I'm led to believe that has changed recently, you can work voluntarilty without it affecting your JSA, as long as you are willing to drop it for paid work.
Lollifedecisions.
Stop trying to ascribe morality to work ethic, they are not intrinsically linked concepts.
I consider the pay beneath what's acceptable - nothing to do with the role, not just to me but for anybody - it's not that I consider myself "too good to do job X" - I just consider "wage X to be too low for ANYBODY's".
Unpaid labour (please don't call JSA a wage, it isn't) benefiting large company's. It's sickening.
When I look at local big shops in my area, most are running on skeleton crews and have been since the recession. An employee quits, dies or goes on maternity leave their positions aren't filled, that would cost money. You've got management and office types on the tills and stacking shelves, all so that profit margin is even higher so the fat ***** at the top can keep squeezing the life out of the working class.
Then they have the audacity to offer "work experience placements", unpaid, forced, but you get the experience, so that's ok. Experience is a by-product of actual paid work. Work experience in this sense is something you do at school for a fortnight.
Why bother paying people when you can get them to do it for free?
It really boils my ****
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When I look at local big shops in my area, most are running on skeleton crews and have been since the recession. An employee quits, dies or goes on maternity leave their positions aren't filled, that would cost money. You've got management and office types on the tills and stacking shelves, all so that profit margin is even higher so the fat ***** at the top can keep squeezing the life out of the working class.
Then they have the audacity to offer "work experience placements", unpaid, forced, but you get the experience, so that's ok. Experience is a by-product of actual paid work. Work experience in this sense is something you do at school for a fortnight.
Why bother paying people when you can get them to do it for free?
It really boils my ****
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This is the product of 50 years of the liberal labour con
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Britain gets the country it deserves 
That's a fair point, and kudos for you for working 9 - 5 on getting a job that suited your skillset. However, a large number of people won't be working 9 - 5 to get a job, they'll fire off an application a day or even less. It is those people who I belief are in the wrong.
It is also fortunate that you were not in a position where you needed to claim.
Of course they are. If wage X provides you with funds in that you can survive and have a bit of a life rather than sitting on the dole, doing nothing, then you ought to take the job if it is likely (adding this part due to Nitefly's post) that you'll struggle to find work for quite some time.
If Mr X has worked for years, paid taxes, paid into the system. Then **** yes he should be allowed plenty of time on JSA or benefits to get back into his specialized field of work instead of being forced to take a 45 hour week flipping burgers at minimum wage...just coz a job is a job....
If you pay into it then yes imo you are entitled to more time on JSA to get back into your chosen field of expertise.
Would work the other way though...if you havent paid into the system at all then yeah you gotta accept the basic wage level job. The amount of time you get full JSA and other benefits should depend on how much and for how long you have paid into the system.
In my world thats how it should work...fair for everyone...
If you pay into it then yes imo you are entitled to more time on JSA to get back into your chosen field of expertise.
Would work the other way though...if you havent paid into the system at all then yeah you gotta accept the basic wage level job. The amount of time you get full JSA and other benefits should depend on how much and for how long you have paid into the system.
In my world thats how it should work...fair for everyone...
My thoughts exactly.
But I do think it's sickening how little we pay so many in society - so with a reasonable increase in the wage for the lowest earners that system would at least be acceptable.
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This is 'work experience' not internships....
I have an internship lined up in summer... Getting paid more than 10x OPs gf, and pretty much have a guaranteed job at the end of it so long as I do well in the internship... 5 Weeks work, 9:30-5:30, 3 days holiday, expenses paid, and possible payment to work abroad if the clients are located abroad...
I don't think this is the best system, in place, and certainly some of the stuff Nite has suggested would be much better as possible solutions...
Also, surely this is a good incentive for people to get off their bums and apply for jobs, rather than sitting around. I'm aware this doesn't apply to everyone, however is certainly relevant for some...
There are plenty of other recruitment agencies that can get you temp jobs on much better salaries, without taking too much time - Reed for example...
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Pretty much slave labour in everything but name. Good scheme for employers (captain obvious calling...) Has limited benefit to the worker/person. Sure they will get experience but 6am to 5pm and only on £200 a month lol thats well below minimum wage...ahhh but these "internship" (lol!) schemes are all the rage these days.....utter pathetic joke of a system...Its just another word to exploit someone....sigh...
I remember the days of the yts schemes employers would take on loads of eager young workers then at the end of the placement (up to 2 years) they just say jog on lol we dont have any vacancies...yeah but they are perfectly happy to accept slave labour aint they....
Needs to be balance in the system between both employeee and employer so that neither exploits the other...unfortunately most people are heavily biaised in one side or the other....
I just can't align your last quote with the previous ones. Isn't what you're suggesting at your last quote slave labour? isn't it a win win for the employers?
Just because X has been lucky to have a steady job for 10 years compared to Y who's been laid off on the first month of employment, Y has to work for (what you call) slave wages while X can enjoy a much higher time off to look for a job?
You are really contradicting yourself.
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How diverse