Bleeping furious right now!

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Has the OP's girlfriend done*any* work before, paid or voluntary?

If the answer is no, and all she has done to date has been her time spent in education, then getting *any* experience of a proper workplace (of any kind) is going to add some value to her CV, and for that reason a work experience placement would be a good thing.
 
So she gets the £200 a month JSA to sit on her ass and play console games or..

gets £200 a month
gains experience in the workplace
is looked favourably on because of doing voluntary work
is able to add that work experience to her CV
increase her prospects of gaining employment at a later date
is able to contribute her time and effort toward the Economy.

Yeah but theres a balance... I wouldn't expect anyone on JSA to be doing more than 16-20 hours a week or so, otherwise it doesn't realistically give them a chance to find proper work.
 
Not from the sorts of jobs people are talking about getting and ditching in this thread, shirley? I mean, I worked for Royal Mail for a year, but I was a data entry monkey, and had very, very little interaction with my manager. IF they bothered to find him to give a reference, I can't imagine he'd remember anything about me!

Like I said, we are in partnership with our local Jobcentre for a similar scheme and we have provided references for both of the people they sent to us. We also do the same for a similar scheme where European students come to us for work experience. Every place is different.
 
So she gets the £200 a month JSA to sit on her ass and play console games or..

gets £200 a month
gains experience in the workplace
is looked favourably on because of doing voluntary work
is able to add that work experience to her CV
increase her prospects of gaining employment at a later date
is able to contribute her time and effort toward the Economy.

You sound like your very into the idea, why not tell your boss your happy to work for £200 a week, just for the greater good, I'm sure he'll be chuffed :rolleyes:
 
This is why there are no jobs about they are filling places with free labour. Have read elsewhere of companies laying off staff so they can take jsa slaves on!
 
Yeah but theres a balance... I wouldn't expect anyone on JSA to be doing more than 16-20 hours a week or so, otherwise it doesn't realistically give them a chance to find proper work.

If a person is in full time work and wants to find a different job, they would quite simply have to make time to look for jobs outside of their working hours....you'd come home from work, fire up your PC or get your newspaper out (or whatever works for you) and start looking for jobs in your spare time in the evening.

If working people can manage this, why not those on a work placement?

Every JSA claimant will have signed a jobseekers agreement which specifies the steps they will take to find work and their desired (realistic) job goals.

Most people are asked to take just 3-5 steps each week in order to receive their benefit. Each step does not have to take long - how long does checking a jobs page in newspaper, or doing an internet search take? If one has an electronic CV, covering letter, and email address, how long does it actually take to apply for a job?

If someone is genuinely committed and motivated to finding work, they will find plenty time to look as well as working 30+ hours each week. Saying 'theres not enough hours in the day to do both' is just a cop out IMHO.
 
I think it's a good idea, but they shouldn't be allowed to pay under minimum wage. If she gets £200 a week, then she has to work the amount of hours (after tax) needed at minimum wage to earn that.

To force 55 hours a week is ridiculous, and should be made illegal - at least unless they're going to start paying a lot more wages.

And the shop should be asked to stump up some of the money as well.
 
Sounds reasonable to me. We need to do something about JSA scroungers in this country. (Not saying she is one, but there are many). If it means putting them in work experience programmes to get work experience and actually earn some of the money they get given for free then fair play.

Too much something for nothing culture in this country. If they don't want to work or help out where possible whilst looking for a job then don't sign on for the JSA benefit and devote your time to job hunting instead.

On the flip side and in her defence, the hours seem more than excessive. I'd expect something more along the lines of working part time. Something that reflects minimum wage and the hours they expect you to "volunteer" for. For example, if you get £100 over two weeks it would be reasonable to expect them to work for maybe 12 hours a week.
 
If The Works need 10 people to work for pretty much nothing- surely they have 10 vacancies :confused:

All this is doing is replacing job vacancies with cheap labour. This sort of reactionary headline grabbing approach is completely going in the wrong direction.

If I lost my job this sort of work would not benefit me whatsoever and distract from actually seeking a job or preparing/training for a proper one.

The majority or people enslaved in these schemes are the very people it's not aimed at and actually want to work in a proper job rather than claim benefits - it will do nothing to stop life long claimants that thus far the DWP simply can't be bothered dealing with as they're too 'difficult'.... they'll simply pop out more kids and get their benefits that way :rolleyes:
 
By the way - the official jobcentre guidance stipulates any such work experience placement (assuming its arranged/signposted through the 'Get Britain Working' initiative and is for 18-24 year olds only) should be no more than 30 hours per week.

She will most likely still be required to come and sign on each fortnight, and still satisfy the requirements of claiming JSA in terms of actively seeking employment (so she should still be looking for work outside of her times on placement).

I'd query the 55 hours per week element personally (and I speak as someone who works as an employment advisor for jobcentreplus so I do get to know about these schemes ;)). The store may certainly be open that many hours a week, and as such the shifts she will be given may be on a rota spread out over the whole 55 hour week for the entire time she is there, but she should not be expected to work more than 30 hours each week.
 
Pff... well she's going to be complaining a lot, O well 2 months of hard work will do her well because I'm sure she didn't do too swell in her a-levels if she hasn't got a degree.
 
...she has no desire of working in a store and she is better qualified then that...

Oh boy this is nothing, i know a guy who has several degrees upto and include doctorate of biochemistry, has worked for research in Russell group universities and currently works in a home for autistic people. Talk to this guy about over qualified and no desire, the requirements to work in this place are basically be a nice person and be patient. :rolleyes:
 
I worked for a charity whilst claiming JSA, under a Job Centre promotion.
The idea is to reintergrate you back into the working world, whilst I agree the hours seem quite drastic I do think this is a good thing.
Got offered a paid job at the end of my time (about 5-6 weeks of 40 hour weeks) but had also got offered a job at my current employer on the same day so took that. I have no doubt that the temporary JSA/Charity work was the main contribution to getting the job I have now.

I've done this in the past too. 30 hrs per week sorting stuff in a charity shop. I asked to help out with the doles (intraining) IT course to teach those who are not computer savvy, at the time, nothing was offered in that regard... so much for big society.
I guess the private company running that side of things didn't want to share :confused: What I do know is that all of these places get paid by the government for you being there (not the charities etc, but the private businesses running the dole schemes and those taking workers on). I don't know specifically how much, but I've heard rumours of 2-5k all the way to 30k for each candidate, whether that's for 6 or 12 months or a one off payment, I don't know.

In principal, I have no real objections to some of the welfare to work ideals. However, the reality is as follows -
Take a company like caterpillar.
Make a load of their expensive full time staff redundant.
Sign up to government dole work scheme.
Get YTS people to do the work previously occupied by your FT staff.
Rotate candidates every 6-8 weeks with no promise of a full time job at the end of it.
Get paid by the government.
Pay YTS less than you paid your FT staff. (essentially dole)
Profit.

Exactly this happened to my cousin; he was made redundant and was replaced with a load of YTS blokes from the dole who then get cycled through the factory then shuffled out of the door. Caterpillar make money, the dole get to look good, the full time staff loose their jobs (some of them even ended up on the same dole scheme...) and the YTS blokes are no nearer full time work than they were before. So it would appear that the scheme only benefits the government and the businesses. And lets face it - all of these private companies involved with such schemes are not in it because of their altruistic nature. Quite simply they expect to make money, quite a lot of it, out of a government subsidised work program. They would not be doing it otherwise.

Big society as an ideal encompasses many things, one of which is getting local people to do useful stuff locally. This is a good idea.
But with anything connected to the DSS, it will prove to be an unmitigated disaster, chiefly because of private business chasing money, whilst front line JC staff and those on the low tiers of companies like intraining, have their hands tied by the bungling of their senior managers, who's mandate is to follow the money, rather than facilitate introducing someone with a skill or an idea, to someone else with a problem or a task.

In principal, it's a great idea. The reality will fall somewhat short of the intended mark.
 
What I do know is that all of these places get paid by the government for you being there (not the charities etc, but the private businesses running the dole schemes and those taking workers on). I don't know specifically how much, but I've heard rumours of 2-5k all the way to 30k for each candidate, whether that's for 6 or 12 months or a one off payment, I don't know.

Have you got any evidence for this? It would appear we are short £60,000 at work :D
 
Are you sure you have this right.

By my calculations, thats a 55 hour week. I can't see the jobcentre allowing that length of week for one of their schemes.

If they are asking this. then it is disgusting.

That's puts them in breach of the minimum 48 hour week legislation, unless she ops out that is.
 
Thats what I was saying mate

As fo rall of you saying dole scroungers, yada, yourgetting experience, your getting something to put on your CV...

You happy to work more than Full Time for £200 a month?

I honestly think its a disgrace they can take on so many staff for this type of work yet not have any jobs.
 
How about a system that requires a number of applications be submitted each week before payment can be obtained?

People seem to forget that the JSA is there to help people legitimately seeking jobs. How on earth is the example in the OP desmonstrating this?

In a way, it is meant to be like that.

You have a diary where you keep track of your applications, and if the jobcentre feel you haven't done enough "job seeking" then they can stop your money.

That said, I often wonder how the chavs manage to lie for extended periods, as when I was claiming (6 months after a redundancy) it was a struggle for me to complete on a weekly basis, and I was actively looking.
 
Have you got any evidence for this? It would appear we are short £60,000 at work :D

As I said, I've only heard rumours about these varied figures. I think you'll agree that there quite a disparity between them ;)

What worries me more is the vagueness of the rumours - I've not heard anyone straight talking a figure, not even people who actually work at the jobcentre. To me that is cause for concern, as nobody seems to have a simple answer to what is a straightforward question: How much are the government paying you per candidate, and over what time period?

Perhaps I'm too cynical, but whenever there's a lack of clarity in such matters as these, I'm inclined to suspect chicanery.

Alternatively I might not be asking the right questions to receive the right answers... but you know how that kind of logic works hehe.
 
As I said, I've only heard rumours about these varied figures. I think you'll agree that there quite a disparity between them ;)

What worries me more is the vagueness of the rumours - I've not heard anyone straight talking a figure, not even people who actually work at the jobcentre. To me that is cause for concern, as nobody seems to have a simple answer to what is a straightforward question: How much are the government paying you per candidate, and over what time period?

Perhaps I'm too cynical, but whenever there's a lack of clarity in such matters as these, I'm inclined to suspect chicanery.

Alternatively I might not be asking the right questions to receive the right answers... but you know how that kind of logic works hehe.

It's much more likely that you're simply asking the wrong people. As with most of the public sector, Jobcentres are very much a top-down operation and the members of staff you are likely to deal with have as much information to work with as you.
 
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