Has the war on terror gone too far?

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Members of UK Parliament Recommend Censoring Online Extremism

In a report published last week, members of the United Kingdom Parliament concluded that the Internet plays a major role in the radicalization of terrorists and called on the government to pressure Internet Service Providers in Britain and abroad to censor online speech. The Roots of Violent Radicalisation places the Internet ahead of prisons, universities, and religious establishments in propagating radical beliefs and ultimately recommends that the government “develop a code of practice for the removal of material which promotes violent extremism” binding ISPs.

While the Terrorism Act 2006 authorizes British law enforcement agencies to order certain material to be removed from websites, lawmakers on the Home Affairs Committee stated that “service providers themselves should be more active in monitoring the material they host.” Their report raises serious concerns that political and religious speech will be suppressed. Security expert Peter Neumann who testified before the Committee asked why websites like YouTube and Facebook can’t be as “effective at removing . . . extremist Islamist or extremist right-wing content” as they are at removing sexually explicit content or copyrighted material that violates their own terms of service.

Citing “persuasive evidence about the potential threat from extreme far-right terrorism” and lauding the recent conviction of four London men who used the Internet to plot a bombing of the London Stock Exchange, Parliament Members commended the report saying, “[it] tackles the threat from home-grown terrorism on and off line.” A spokesman for the House of Commons Home Office stated that the Committee would continue to “work closely with police and internet service providers to take Internet hate off the web."

In an interview with the International Business Times, Trend Micro security director Rik Ferguson criticized the Committee’s recommendations and argued that making ISPs “judge, jury and executioner” imposes responsibilities on ISPs that rightfully belong to law enforcement. “Material of a political or religious nature is by definition much more difficult to define and much more difficult to police without crossing the line to impact on freedom of expression,” Ferguson stated.

The Committee issued its recommendations in the midst of reports that Google India had taken down online content deemed offensive to Indian political and religious leaders in response to a lawsuit. The Washington Post points out that Google Transparency Reports indicate that the UK removed nearly as much content as India from January to June 2011. Google complied with more than 80% of requests from the UK to remove content from its services.

EFF believes that it is not the role of intermediaries to serve as gatekeepers for law enforcement. Fortunately, we're not alone: the UK's Internet Service Providers' Association argues that "ISPs are not best placed to determine what constitutes violent extremism and where the line should be drawn. This is particularly true of a sensitive area like radicalisation, with differing views on what may constitute violent extremist." Indeed--the strategy set forth by the Committee defines extremism as "vocal or active opposition to fundamental British values." ISPs and other intermediaries must not be charged with determining what constitutes extremism, particularly when the definition of such is so vague. This type of state-mandated online censorship is inherently corruptible, especially when it is justified to combat national security threats.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/members-uk-parliament-recommend-censoring-online-extremism

I am really not particularly fond on the war on terroism as I just see it as a scapegoat to allow governments to pass intrusive laws such as the patrioct act or Terroism act 2006. As we have seen before, these so called anti terroism laws have been used to marginalise Muslim communities and be used for unrelated crimes such as Fraud and people taking photos in public areas. I understand that terrorism is bad but I would rather have the money spent on Healthcare where we could save many more lives much more easily than spending money enforcing intrusive laws. Will these new proposals be used for anti terroism? I doubt it. Will websites be blocked that are unrelated to extremism? Most likely.
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The war on terrorism is a buzz word to manipulate population and the treasury to justify big military budgets.

You can not have a war on an abstraction. There is no measure of success.

Maybe should have been posted in SC.


Although I am not a fan of peter joseph specifically due to his neo-communist ideas and his lack of understanding of economics and his voice kind of annoys me. However this lecture is particularly interesting.
 
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Getting the balance between fundemental rights and the protection of liberty is always going to be tricky. I don't believe in any 'mind control' or that any underhand politics are going on in this regard, but some of the terrorism laws enacted circa 2006 are pretty scary.
 
I can't decide as I am so far out of it in my own little World/town. I can take in the events reported over the months/years but still don't believe any of it through either ignorance or lack or Real experience.
 
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Do we have a bigger military budget now then?

Military budgets have increased consistently.

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But what we saw over the last 10 years was new departments outside of what is called the "defence" budget, these anti-terror departments and organisations might not have been a part of the military budget, but i can't say for sure because i do not have that information.
 
It may be age catching up with me, but the more often I read things like this, the more convinced I become that violent, bloody revolution is in Britans future, either this generation or next.

The problem with it is the people making the mistakes are not the people who will be punished - those in power when the revolution comes will be put up agasint the wall, but those in power now will not be, which is a shame, because it will have been thier fault.

Government - You have had a good run on the back of 9/11 and 7/7, and have successfully added some redicuously draconian reductions to our freedoms, but you are now tearing the arse out of it. It is time to stop before you reach the tipping point. Britain is not under serious threat, and as horrific as these attrocities were, more people die on the roads, and yet we can still drive. If you continue down this path, you will, eventually, be removed by force, by the people you seek to opress. Democracy has been forcibly installed by the people in several dictatorships over the last year or so - do not think the same will not happen in the UK if you continue to remove it.
 
Military budgets have increased consistently.

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But what we saw over the last 10 years was new departments outside of what is called the "defence" budget, these anti-terror departments and organisations might not have been a part of the military budget, but i can't say for sure because i do not have that information.

Thats a nice graph and all, But its a little bit off if you think about it isnt it. It's measured in billions yes? Well back in the 1920s I'm pretty sure a billion bought you a lot more compared to today :p
 
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That's it in terms of the pound in 2005, against total government spending as well. Looks a little different...

Interesting website that, didn't know it existed before.
 
Military budgets have increased consistently.

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But what we saw over the last 10 years was new departments outside of what is called the "defence" budget, these anti-terror departments and organisations might not have been a part of the military budget, but i can't say for sure because i do not have that information.



Are you mattheman?


you seem to have a similar grasp of statistics.
 
It still amuses me that the so called 'terrorists' target public transport and primarily aeroplanes which are like fort knox to infiltrate, if they were truly out to terrorise us they would be targetting daily sporting events with thousands of people present or doing something along the lines of the Washington snipers... who caused statewide chaos for weeks with just a car & a rifle.

Security is so bad at my local football club that you can get in without even paying sometimes. :p and yet still these 'terrorists' have an aeroplane-bombing obsession which has conveniently allowed our governments to install Orwellian checkpoints.

In my little corner of England, you would not even know that terrorism/war on terror existed if it weren't for the wall to wall media bombardment for the past 10 yrs and yet we're lead to believe that there are sleeper cells on every street corner.
 
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why not just start phoning for ambulances (ie my gran has fallen down the stairs) when they turn up kil lthe paramedics and leave.

repeat this is many houses/places across the country for ambulances and soon they won't be willing to travel without police escorts causing widespread panic and deaths + tying up police time.
 
why not just start phoning for ambulances (ie my gran has fallen down the stairs) when they turn up kil lthe paramedics and leave.

repeat this is many houses/places across the country for ambulances and soon they won't be willing to travel without police escorts causing widespread panic and deaths + tying up police time.

You've thought about this for quite some time, haven't you... :p
 
It isn't really about what Laws are available, but how they are applied in practice. And that is where we need clarification.....RIPA laws used to spy on the public for no other reason than applying for school places for example.

It is the misuse of anti-Terrorism Laws and Powers that needs addressing, not necessarily the Laws and Powers themselves.
 
Military budgets have increased consistently.

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But what we saw over the last 10 years was new departments outside of what is called the "defence" budget, these anti-terror departments and organisations might not have been a part of the military budget, but i can't say for sure because i do not have that information.

This is why Scotland should become independent and then we get to keep 10% of that figure. 5 billion should be enough 1000 quid for every man woman and child in the country. Should be enough to buy an independence vote?
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