Free HIV treatment for foreigners.

PianoBasher said:
With HIV treatment being unavailable or prohibitively expensive in other countries without state-funded care, I think you'll find it'll also attract even more people who want to come into the UK to use the NHS facilities. But it's OK, we can afford it, right?

You do realise how expensive HIV and AIDS treatment programmes are?
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What cost do you place on human life?
 
sigma said:
What cost do you place on human life?
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When people are currently being denied cancer treatments due to lack of funding, I think it goes without saying that we are struggling to provide for our own, never mind anyone else. We can't be medics to the rest of the world, at least not without scores of other countries doing their fair share.
 
PianoBasher said:
When people are currently being denied cancer treatments due to lack of funding, I think it goes without saying that we are struggling to provide for our own, never mind anyone else. We can't be medics to the rest of the world, at least not without scores of other countries doing their fair share.
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It's not supposed to be for the rest of the world though. It's aimed at people who are currently here but not born here thus can't get free treatment.

I'm not sure how the ins and outs of the system will work but I can only see it as a positive thing. I can't argue against the lack of funding for cancer treatments. I'm guessing it all falls under the budgeting system and I guess it's all, therefore, from funds that are allocated for HIV treatment already?
 
sigma said:
It's not supposed to be for the rest of the world though. It's aimed at people who are currently here but not born here thus can't get free treatment.

I'm not sure how the ins and outs of the system will work but I can only see it as a positive thing. I can't argue against the lack of funding for cancer treatments. I'm guessing it all falls under the budgeting system and I guess it's all, therefore, from funds that are allocated for HIV treatment already?
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Surely as a nation we should look after our own first?
 
OldCoals said:
Surely as a nation we should look after our own first?
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Are we not protecting 'our own' from contracting HIV from 'them'?

I think we should help others, regardless. If I saw someone dying in the street I wouldn't walk away thinking "his blood will ruin my expensive clothes and he doesn't look like he lives in this town". But hey, that's just me.
 
This thread makes me cry... Everything costs something and some people don't seem to understand that we ALL pay for it.
 
Is this a crafty plan to get rid of them in the long term?

I mean, the OP mentions asylum seekers who are undiagnosed, thus to get the treatment they would have to come forward and be diagnosed, which would presumably affect their chances of being allowed to stay in the country (negatively, I would hope)? :confused:
 
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Tefal said:
it's very common in Africa lots of charities are trying to educate them but they still believe it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_cleansing_myth
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the country is extremely poor, has no real infrastructure, kids join gangs or work instead of going to school.

what else do you expect? they grow up surrounded in violence.

there are a few ways of preventing HIV long term, but human rights activists would make sure none of them ever happen.

basically this problem is going to multiply and keep spreading until a point where most of the population is infected. especially when nobody is really doing anything about it.

there are plenty of people who have it that are in denial too, and keep sleeping with other people, even from educated backgrounds in the UK, Germany, Holland etc.

it's an issue which is swept under the carpet, rather than tackled head on.

imo every person who wants to stay in the UK or Visit should be tested on at least a yearly basis, they should also have to wear a "HIV" bracelet and if they are found without the bracelet on and without a proper valid excuse "life imprisonment" in a HIV prison.

sleeping with someone when you know you have HIV is worse than killing them imo.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
the country is extremely poor, has no real infrastructure, kids join gangs or work instead of going to school.

what else do you expect? they grow up surrounded in violence.

there are a few ways of preventing HIV long term, but human rights activists would make sure none of them ever happen.

basically this problem is going to multiply and keep spreading until a point where most of the population is infected. especially when nobody is really doing anything about it.

there are plenty of people who have it that are in denial too, and keep sleeping with other people, even from educated backgrounds in the UK, Germany, Holland etc.

it's an issue which is swept under the carpet, rather than tackled head on.

imo every person who wants to stay in the UK or Visit should be tested on at least a yearly basis, they should also have to wear a "HIV" bracelet and if they are found without the bracelet on and without a proper valid excuse "life imprisonment" in a HIV prison.

sleeping with someone when you know you have HIV is worse than killing them imo.
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Why don't we just put a yellow Star of David on their outer clothing? Will be easier to find them to take them to their work camps.
 
Deadbeat said:
You're clearly one of those wishy washy leftie liberals that'll be the death of this country, then, aren't you?
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Lol.

Anybody with a degree of compassion for another human is now a wishy washy leftie now it seems.

You are not even worth correcting how wrong you are on so many levels.
 
PianoBasher said:
I was just grinding an axe for those who choose to abuse the system. Non-emergency treatment, especially for pre-existing conditions should not be open to abuse by people who have never paid a penny into the system IMO .
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Does that include under-18s or anyone who has been unemployed since leaving school?

Or is it different if they were born here as opposed to be born in another geographical location?

What about those with 1 British parent, do they qualify?


The problem is not with the healthcare provision, it's with border control. Of course you should allow everyone free access to the system, trying to control and administrate that would probably cost more.

Instead the effort should go into stopping illegals before they enter the country, as well as deny entry to those who legally try to but are suffering from such diseases.
 
My first thought was on how many (more) people are going to try and get to the UK illegally for this treatment and how are we going to pay for this?

I knew of the Virgin Treatment Myth and that has lead me to the following conclusion -

1. Free HIV treatment
2. Virgins cure HIV
3. Virgin abuse/rape rises (mostly children)
4. Immigrants (illegal) see - FREE VIRGIN RAPE
 
freak2002 said:
My first thought was on how many (more) people are going to try and get to the UK illegally for this treatment and how are we going to pay for this?

I knew of the Virgin Treatment Myth and that has lead me to the following conclusion -

1. Free HIV treatment
2. Virgins cure HIV
3. Virgin abuse/rape rises (mostly children)
4. Immigrants (illegal) see - FREE VIRGIN RAPE
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Where did you learn those critical mad skills? I wish I had such a good education. Never saw the link between free hiv treatment and an increase in virgins rape by illegal immigrants. Thanks for making it so clear that even a simpleton like me can see where all this will eventually lead us!!
 
Just my 50 cents as a human being and then a medic.

1. Human beings are equal, I think that an understanding of that should allow transcendence of all things, be it petty racism, or our nationalistic tendancies. In this context borders and illegal immigration all becomes pointless, small and irrelevant arguments against provision of healthcare. On the basis of equality between all, and the basic tenets of our NHS - free healthcare for all, I dont think we should deny these people access to basic healthcare. They are stuck in our country and as such should have access to services.

2. As a medic I have seen what untreated AID's means - admission to hospitals as emergency cases with constant infections increasing in severity.
From the point of view of utility (and saving money) treating HIV is far cheaper than treating the constant emergency admissions of untreated AIDS (HIV that was left untreated).
From this point of view there is an argument for both the humanists and realists among us...
 
lollyhayes said:
Just my 50 cents as a human being and then a medic.

1. Human beings are equal, I think that an understanding of that should allow transcendence of all things, be it petty racism, or our nationalistic tendancies. In this context borders and illegal immigration all becomes pointless, small and irrelevant arguments against provision of healthcare. On the basis of equality between all, and the basic tenets of our NHS - free healthcare for all, I dont think we should deny these people access to basic healthcare. They are stuck in our country and as such should have access to services.

2. As a medic I have seen what untreated AID's means - admission to hospitals as emergency cases with constant infections increasing in severity.
From the point of view of utility (and saving money) treating HIV is far cheaper than treating the constant emergency admissions of untreated AIDS (HIV that was left untreated).
From this point of view there is an argument for both the humanists and realists among us...
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I can't vouch for the second as I'm not a medic, but you have summed up very nicely my own views in your first point :)
 
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