What is a hot hatch....

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Just how I how see them, not asking for you to agree. I've always seen Focus's as family cars, largely due to the fact I know a lot of people who have kids who own Focus's, I only know a few people who own Golf GTi's and none of them have kids.

Explain how, based on my experiences, that theory is invalid

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I wonder what car he drives, and if it has lick marks on the windows?

Already said I drive a 206, and FYI, the windows are spotless, I like to keep my car clean

Glad to see I'm keeping you guys entertained, no idea why you're all getting out bothered by this, I never said This is how you must all see them, and I am right therefore you must agree :rolleyes:

People are entitled to interpret cars the way they want, there's nothing to say that people are right or wrong, people can buy whichever car they want for whatever reason they want.

I wonder how many of you drive Black Fords, because, thats the only colour they had available
 
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Now you're just being stupid by over exaggerating my posts

Just because it's your opinion, doesn't mean it's wrong. Sadly for you the classification of a car does not depend on weather or not your mates use them to ferry around their offspring. A Golf GTI and Focus ST are both Hot Hatches.
 
People are entitled to interpret cars the way they want, there's nothing to say that people are right or wrong.

I disagree you are a security guard, my opinion is that you are a rocket scientist, my opinion makes it so.

Facts are clearly not relevant to this discussion.
 
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I think the term 'warm hatch' is really irritating.

Why so ?

I think it explains perfectly why the Lupo GTI and the Golf GTI exist.

It's still a hatch that's different from its base model, but just not quite as fast as the likes of the Golf GTI
 
I always saw warm hatch as those 'not quite top of the range' performance hatchbacks, like the Mini Cooper to the Cooper S or the Leon Cupra to the Cupra R.

I find a lot of people tend to just use it to mean 'crap hot hatch' though.

but just not quite as fast as the likes of the Golf GTI

Actually when the Lupo GTI was released, I think it was actually quicker than all but the Anniversary edition Golf GTI :p
 
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I'm struggling how else to explain something like the Lupo GTI which is like a golf GTzi but doesn't aim to compete with it outright performance. Like the fiesta ST and Focus ST
 
I'm struggling how else to explain something like the Lupo GTI which is like a golf GTzi but doesn't aim to compete with it outright performance. Like the fiesta ST and Focus ST

I would say the Lupo GTI was a straight up hot hatch, they were mad little cars, as I said above, quicker than the Golf GTIs they were released alongside :p
 
Only if you include the "pretend" GTIs with the lower power engines

No, not only if you include those.

The only GTI that was quicker off the blocks was the Anniversary, or one of the few 180bhp non-Annis but they seem to be rarer than hens teeth.
 
Didn't realise the 180s were that rare

I don't think i've ever seen a non-anniversary 180 GTI, I didn't even know such a thing existed until a few months back. The vast vast majority of 1.8T GTIs are 150, and will hit 60 in something like 8.2 seconds, to the Lupo's 8.0.
 
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