The tolerant Catholic Church

[Fran]

Ah '77,
My bad

 

[RDM]

That doesn't mean that it is acceptable to abuse people because of their beliefs simply because you do not agree with them however.....something you may want to consider if you want people to engage with you and take you seriously.

Unfortunately it seems to be common on both sides of the debate, with each side thinking it is wrong to have abuse given to them yet seem to think it fine to give abuse.

 

[spudbynight]

Meanwhile, Pope in disapproval of gay sex shocker

I am always baffled by how many people are unable to separate the "sin from the sinner"

The Church views homosexual sex as a sin. It also views all sex outside of marriage to be sinful. Does that mean the Church hates all those people who have extra-marital sex?

Interesting video below for people to look at which shows an alternative viewpoint on this discussion.

I am a practising Catholic. I sing in the Choir in a very orthodox parish. Nearly all the men in the Choir are gay men. I would consider all of them friends. I certainly have never noticed any hatred towards them from anyone else in the parish.

 

[Hitman_Leon]

The catholic church is the largest pedophile supportive wing in the world, make no mistake to assume otherwise. It also teaches that condoms don't do anything to prevent aids (the words of pope Benedict himself).

The catholic church never supported pedophilia; they did however sweep it under the carpet which in turn is what society in general has done for eternity. Pedophilia was always too taboo to be brought out in the open and its only in the 90's that any real impact has started to be made against pedophilia in all sections of society including religious orders and institutions.

What the catholic church did was not right and never can be but look at the general picture and you would see what they did was turn a blind eye; they never supported what happened they ignored it, there is a distinction between the two.

 

[stefk005]

The catholic church never supported pedophilia; they did however sweep it under the carpet which in turn is what society in general has done for eternity. Pedophilia was always too taboo to be brought out in the open and its only in the 90's that any real impact has started to be made against pedophilia in all sections of society including religious orders and institutions.

What the catholic church did was not right and never can be but look at the general picture and you would see what they did was turn a blind eye; they never supported what happened they ignored it, there is a distinction between the two.

Quite. Nice to see a bit of objectivity.

As for Aids and Africa, the Catholic Church provides roughly 25% of Aids care and services worldwide, and is quite substantially the biggest such provider in Africa, not to mention all the hospitals, schools and other welfare programs it runs there.

 

[bam0]

I am always baffled by how many people are unable to separate the "sin from the sinner"

The Church views homosexual sex as a sin. It also views all sex outside of marriage to be sinful. Does that mean the Church hates all those people who have extra-marital sex?

Interesting video below for people to look at which shows an alternative viewpoint on this discussion.

I am a practising Catholic. I sing in the Choir in a very orthodox parish. Nearly all the men in the Choir are gay men. I would consider all of them friends. I certainly have never noticed any hatred towards them from anyone else in the parish.

Wow, that video, I don't think it's going to win you any more friends in this. Catholics really do seem to have an obsession with suffering.

 

[spudbynight]

Wow, that video, I don't think it's going to win you any more friends in this. Catholics really do seem to have an obsession with suffering.

The central item of the faith is Christ suffering for all mankind.

I think the point of that video went over your head a little bit.

 

[bam0]

The central item of the faith is Christ suffering for all mankind.

I think the point of that video went over your head a little bit.

Maybe. If the point of that video wasn't that catholic homosexuals should suffer through the possible anguish and internal conflict, because that extra suffering shows that God loves them more, and thereby they'd be a light to other people and so earn their place in heaven you probably should have given it a little more context before posting it.

If the above was anything like the point of the video then like I said there seems to be an unhealthy obsession with suffering from my non catholic viewpoint.

 

[spudbynight]

Maybe. If the point of that video wasn't that catholic homosexuals should suffer through the possible anguish and internal conflict, because that extra suffering shows that God loves them more, and thereby they'd be a light to other people and so earn their place in heaven you probably should have given it a little more context before posting it.

If the above was anything like the point of the video then like I said there seems to be an unhealthy obsession with suffering from my non catholic viewpoint.

Thanks for taking the time to watch it fully. I am not looking to make any friends in this - I'm just stating a point of view.

What I was trying to do is put forward a viewpoint that shows that Catholics don't hate homosexuals. A point of view that contradicts the oft made comment that Catholics are homophobic in some way.

The Catholic Church does not have an obsession with suffering however one thing we are told to do is make sacrifices for others. The concept of sacrifice is a central tenet of the faith. We refer to the sacrifice of the mass as the highest form of prayer.

Any suffering we endure in this world emulates the suffering that Jesus Christ went through for all of us. We can offer up that sacrifice to God.

 

[MortonF]

cant beleve people defending same sex parents

its wrong not natural and a bit twisted really isnt it

kid would get bullyed to kingdom come


selfish people

 

[RDM]

cant beleve people defending same sex parents

its wrong not natural and a bit twisted really isnt it

kid would get bullyed to kingdom come


selfish people

As you haven't responded to my post the last time you posted drivel like this I am going to guess that you are just trolling.

 

[spudbynight]

cant beleve people defending same sex parents

its wrong not natural and a bit twisted really isnt it

kid would get bullyed to kingdom come


selfish people

I don't agree with same sex parenting.

I don't think whether a child gets bullied or not should be a factor that is taken into account though. If we did we would probably have to kill all gingers at birth. (I am unsure of the Catholic Church's position on this*)





*joke

 

[MortonF]

its just like parents who have a kid thats go no arms and legs etc

the kids better off dead than having a life of misery

do you really think any kid in the world would choose to have gay parents

no they wouldent

 

[Robbo]

cant beleve people defending same sex parents

its wrong not natural and a bit twisted really isnt it

kid would get bullyed to kingdom come


selfish people

its just like parents who have a kid thats go no arms and legs etc

the kids better off dead than having a life of misery

do you really think any kid in the world would choose to have gay parents

no they wouldent

Herp.

Derp.

 

[spudbynight]

its just like parents who have a kid thats go no arms and legs etc

the kids better off dead than having a life of misery

do you really think any kid in the world would choose to have gay parents

no they wouldent

I would have to disagree with all those comments. I don't see how relevant they are to the discussion at hand though.

 

[hurfdurf]

do you really think any kid in the world would choose to have gay parents

no they wouldent

This kid would, so your already full of crap.

Also explain how all the evidence shows that kids who are adopted by gay parents do so much better compared to kids in foster homes and from single parents families?

That's funny because all the evidence shows that despite being raised by homosexual parents, children of same sex parents do just as well as children raised by parents of two different genders, and much much better than children raised in group homes or by a single parents.

This is despite not being afforded the rights and the legal issues that are presented when trying to raise children whilst being in a homosexual marriage

Canadian Psychological Association
The Australian Psychological Society
Brief of the American Psychological Association
The California Psychological Association
The American Psychiatric Association
American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy
PEDIATRICS Vol. 118
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
American Psychoanalytic Association
National Association of Social Workers
Child Welfare League of America
North American Council on Adoptable Children

Now, who am I going to believe, someone who can barely type out a forum post or the experts?

I for one would much rather see kids go to a loving happy home than be forced to go through the shambles that is group homes

 

[MortonF]

hurf durf its not evidence

do you really think they would be so un PC that they would publish stuff the truth that gay parents are worse for the kids?

dont get me wrong the kids are beter off with some gays who love them than normal parents who dont but the kids dont turn out normal

ive met a lot of children of gay parent and the amount of kids that are gay too is unreal

being gay is all in the mind i bet that the kids if they were taken care off with normal parents less of them would then turn out to be gay

just my observations really

 

[LeJosh]

*popcorn*

 

[hurfdurf]

I believe that the natural law is for children to be raised by a mother and father. It is impossible for a same sex couple to have a child. They can adopt but that is someone else's child. They can use a surrogate but again that involves a member of the opposite sex in actually creating the child.

So people who are infertile should not be able to have children? I don't understand what your point is here, surely you are not stupid enough to appeal to nature as an argument, because if so, does that also mean you are against any life saving drugs for natural diseases?

Our society is based on the natural family unit. To allow homosexuals to marry subverts that fundamental societal building block. Marriage has been about two people coming together to raise a family throughout our history.

And now you are trying to appeal to history and tradition?! Really?! I know the Catholic church actively supported slavery in its past, and the Bible says its OK, but just because we used to do those things and our society was based on it is a really really stupid justification.

I know that homosexuality has been observed in animals however I like to think that we are somewhat better than animals.

So you apeall to nature, then claim we are better than it?! And even so, how does having homosexual marriage and parents mean we are not better than animals, you haven't actually pointed out any negative affects of homosexual marriage.

You post an awful lot, but say very little. In fact, its fairly clear you couldn't stand up to the debate and your horrid views fall down when challenged, as they have done when the debates have been had between far smarted people in the past.

The truth is, as long as good people like myself and other posters in this thread combat your disgusting views with facts and show how you are wrong, eventually society will change, and it is, we are progressing, we will drag you kicking and screaming into a better society whether you like it or not.

 

[hurfdurf]

I just can't get over some of the bigotry displayed on this thread. It really is out of order.

Some of the stuff being posted is just offensive. The Catholic church has a history of being persecuted in this country so I think we are used to it.

I have no problem with opinion or debate but militant and irrational hatred just isn't worth engaging with.

I am not seeing any militant or irrational hatred, I am seeing rational criticism and hatred of a organisation that is guilty of many horrible things, the Catholic Church.