The tolerant Catholic Church

They may well have to do that to make this law anyway......apparently, I haven't had to confirm this, but the legal definition of marriage being between a man and a woman is in the articles of the Church of England and this is enshrined as an Act of Parliament, so the argument is that you change the Act of Parliament you must first disestablish the connection of that Act to the Articles of the Church of England...which would have significant impact on the overall establishment of the Church.

If this is a valid legal issue then there will be significant problems and far more resistance to this, mainly because of the wider legal and constitutional implications with a move toward the disestablishment of the Church rather than the actual issue of Gay Marriage.

Which is exactly why I say the whole Christian establishment should facilitate this process if they know what is good for them. Everyone has an interest in ensuring this all goes through smoothly. If they resist though I have no problems with the subsequent consequences for the church.
 
Which proves your argument neither way. It is also not a reliable measure of intelligence as someone as allegedly learned as yourself should know. If you are as intelligent as you claim then demonstrate that with your posts. ;)

I know that IQ isn't a valid measure of intelligence, I never said it was. But if you could be bothered to read what I was responding to, you might realize tha actual context in which I said that.

However if you are as learned as you say you are, you should understand that biology takes a rather 'agnostic' view of IQ tests, and states that they may or may not be a valid measure of intelligence with very strong and equally balanced reasoning on both sides of that debate.
 
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However if you are as learned as you say you are

Well it is not me making the repeated appeals to intellect:

PS my IQ is 140. That's probably why I also support gay marriage because I understand homosexuality without any religious or homophobic bias.

Its far more likely that you have never even studied genetics, and havnt got the slightest clue about it.

The second part of your post shows me that you have no understanding of morality and ethics in genetics, which again fully proves to me that you definitely have not studied genetics at a university level.

Which only leads me to think you should follow you own advice from the final appeal to intellect:

how about you go to aluni eraity instead and study Genetics rather than asking me to recite stuff that I studied 6 years ago and can barely remember now?

... which produced a brief moment of honesty from you.

you should understand that biology takes a rather 'agnostic' view of IQ tests, and states that they may or may not be a valid measure of intelligence with very strong and equally balanced reasoning on both sides of that debate.

You mean that they suggest:

It is also not a reliable measure of intelligence

Which leads to the purpose of my post: How does your IQ make you more able to make any more able to understand homosexuality and if it does not - which you seem to agree with when you clarified you position to the same as mine - then why the hell did you mention it other than to be a demeaning appeal to intellect.
 
Which proves your argument neither way. It is also not a reliable measure of intelligence as someone as allegedly learned as yourself should know. If you are as intelligent as you claim then demonstrate that with your posts. ;)

It probably does, it also probably doesn't :D

You seem to lack gramattical skills and being able to understand key words in a statement.
 
Oh dear ... best edit that quick! Maybe I should go to:

I'm typing on my phone, it types bull crap like that alumi whatever instead of university, and is incredibly difficult to type correctly on, but please carry on believing that its mu fault :D
 
I'm typing on my phone, it types bull crap like that alumi whatever instead of university, and is incredibly difficult to type correctly on, but please carry on believing that its mu fault :D

Oh sorry I will add a caveat just for you and your legendary Greek skills.
 
Spelling errors online are not an accurate measure of a persons grammar skills, however your complete lack of being able to understand key words in a sentance to the point that you take what was actually meant entirely out of context shows that you possess vastly inferior reading and comprehensive skills.
 
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Spelling errors online are not an accurate measure of a persons grammar skills, however your complete lack of being incapable of understanding key words in a sentance to the point that you take what was actually meant entirely out of context shows that you possess vastly inferior reading and comprehensive skills.

:D
 
however your complete lack of being incapable of understanding key words in a sentance to the point that you take what was actually meant entirely out of context shows that you possess vastly inferior reading and comprehensive skills.

So by my "complete lack of being incapable" you mean I am actually quite good - that is what the double-negative implies is it not! So, thanks that's really kind of you!
 
Well the letter was read out at my wife's church this morning and a copy given to all the congregation. My wife left in digust.
 
Well the letter was read out at my wife's church this morning and a copy given to all the congregation. My wife left in digust.

It's a shame that such a thing is continuing and I can only guess but I suspect it is the church that is going to come off worse from this.
 
It's a shame that such a thing is continuing and I can only guess but I suspect it is the church that is going to come off worse from this.

Indeed, first time she has ever got up and left in the middle of the service. Her mother was less than pleased.
 
lets keep it civilized eh ;)

for the record im not homophobic and have a few gay friends, it doesnt bother me if someone is attracted to the same sex.. I dont see why you would, but then im not them so im not feeling what they feel.

Honestly though, same sex marriages are fine, not a problem but I think that gay people shouldnt be aloud to adopt children. Im not saying that they would be bad parents (some parents shouldnt be aloud children full stop), i just feel that kids should have the natural feelings of comfort, defensiveness etc etc for their mother and the feelings that would be associated with having a dad.

And this point is just speculation, but im sure it cant be good for the kid believing that every kid has 2 dads or mums, that it was the norm, being told at such a young age about the birds and the bees and all the other underlying issues that would come about with gay parents. You might grow up thinking that all men should be kissing men or all women should kiss women and then start playing kiss chase with all the boys :p (take it in jest)..

Plus the kid will likely be harshly bullied at school, and yea you might say "the worlds changing, people who have such narrow minded views these days are idiots anyway".. its not as simple as that. Kids are kids and especially at secondary school, its very very likely he'll get bullied. Imagine, your a bloke, you have 2 dads and your in sex ed class.. that would be embarassingg and awkward.
 
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